1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:11,700 [Music] 2 00:00:21,210 --> 00:00:15,990 you underdog pala cast the purple steam 3 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:23,580 this episode of the podcast is brought 4 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:25,869 to you by audible.com the internet's 5 00:00:31,139 --> 00:00:28,390 leading provider of audiobooks with more 6 00:00:33,150 --> 00:00:31,149 than 60,000 downloadable titles across 7 00:00:36,090 --> 00:00:33,160 all types of literature including 8 00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:36,100 fiction nonfiction and periodicals for 9 00:00:50,130 --> 00:00:38,110 free audio book of your choice go to 10 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:50,140 audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla can Frank 11 00:00:53,759 --> 00:00:51,670 and I were getting acquainted talking 12 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:53,769 about our respective childhoods I don't 13 00:00:57,479 --> 00:00:55,150 think we should share this on the air 14 00:01:00,869 --> 00:00:57,489 because it sounds like he was mere as 15 00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:00,879 wacky as I am agreeing yeah right right 16 00:01:05,490 --> 00:01:03,640 now of course once again David is taking 17 00:01:07,859 --> 00:01:05,500 a hiatus from the show Frank Warren is 18 00:01:10,740 --> 00:01:07,869 our guest co-host this week and we'll be 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:10,750 talking with the probably most famous 20 00:01:16,170 --> 00:01:13,450 conspiracy theory expert on the planet 21 00:01:17,999 --> 00:01:16,180 Jim Marrs our upcoming guests they're 22 00:01:19,020 --> 00:01:18,009 throwing around czar so much we're 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:19,030 hearing it lately 24 00:01:24,539 --> 00:01:21,250 I think Jim Marrs we should just appoint 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:24,549 him as the conspiracies are I think that 26 00:01:27,660 --> 00:01:26,050 fits him well you know what's 27 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:27,670 interesting about this Frank is that 28 00:01:31,530 --> 00:01:29,860 they criticize Obama for all the czars 29 00:01:32,130 --> 00:01:31,540 and it turned out that George Bush had 30 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:32,140 war czars 31 00:01:37,950 --> 00:01:35,290 than Obama it seems as if they criticize 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:37,960 Obama for just about everything so I 33 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:40,090 think it's breathing is where the 34 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:41,710 problem lies yes now many of the 35 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:43,390 politics we might do some of that with 36 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:46,300 Jim Marrs you had run a story on your 37 00:01:50,820 --> 00:01:47,890 site was that where we found out about 38 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:50,830 David Andrew yes yeah okay how did you 39 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:52,750 encounter this person because if you 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:54,610 heard the interview I wasn't nuts about 41 00:02:00,570 --> 00:01:57,850 his story if you wouldn't mind and I'd 42 00:02:03,660 --> 00:02:00,580 like to give some attention to that but 43 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:03,670 I'd like to just throw two cents in 44 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:06,610 concerning David B Edna not Andrew which 45 00:02:09,779 --> 00:02:08,409 seems to be the white elephant in the 46 00:02:14,130 --> 00:02:09,789 room if you don't mind 47 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:14,140 in perusing the forum David's absence is 48 00:02:18,809 --> 00:02:15,760 gaining a lot of traction there's a lot 49 00:02:21,899 --> 00:02:18,819 of conversation going on me being the 50 00:02:24,449 --> 00:02:21,909 first guest posts in what I hope is this 51 00:02:26,820 --> 00:02:24,459 very short sabbatical I just thought I'd 52 00:02:28,410 --> 00:02:26,830 like to put my two cents in in fact I 53 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:28,420 was going to post this but I just I'll 54 00:02:34,690 --> 00:02:30,940 just as soon say it on the air to our 55 00:02:37,650 --> 00:02:34,700 listeners and forum members I don't say 56 00:02:40,420 --> 00:02:37,660 David be Edney as your co-host and 57 00:02:43,930 --> 00:02:40,430 YouTube giving birth to the para cast 58 00:02:46,330 --> 00:02:43,940 can be replaced there will not be a 59 00:02:49,089 --> 00:02:46,340 replacement for david bienick in my eyes 60 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:49,099 and it's certainly not be would be by me 61 00:02:54,220 --> 00:02:52,370 I think there's a little confusion out 62 00:02:57,130 --> 00:02:54,230 there as some of the verb and just well 63 00:02:58,900 --> 00:02:57,140 who will replace David hopefully again 64 00:03:00,309 --> 00:02:58,910 this is a short sabbatical I just don't 65 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:00,319 think he can be replaced 66 00:03:04,990 --> 00:03:02,450 I think somebody can be another co-host 67 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:05,000 but you're not going to replace David 68 00:03:10,660 --> 00:03:08,510 BNT you guys are like hand and glove in 69 00:03:13,270 --> 00:03:10,670 my view and as I've told you off the air 70 00:03:14,890 --> 00:03:13,280 it's a perfect match and there just 71 00:03:18,130 --> 00:03:14,900 won't be a replacement quite frankly 72 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:18,140 David does a really good job you two as 73 00:03:24,699 --> 00:03:21,049 a team are perfect the airwaves the 74 00:03:26,589 --> 00:03:24,709 internet the podcast fear needs both of 75 00:03:28,780 --> 00:03:26,599 you as a team and David I hope you're 76 00:03:31,569 --> 00:03:28,790 listening to this you really need to be 77 00:03:34,270 --> 00:03:31,579 here and again my final word there there 78 00:03:36,729 --> 00:03:34,280 is no replacement there will be future 79 00:03:38,830 --> 00:03:36,739 guest hosts but no replacement well you 80 00:03:40,750 --> 00:03:38,840 can also have as a say instead of a 81 00:03:42,940 --> 00:03:40,760 replacement a successor or a temporary 82 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:42,950 successor as I think that's the point 83 00:03:47,229 --> 00:03:45,290 here now is part of the polders poll in 84 00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:47,239 the power cast forums if you go to forum 85 00:03:52,780 --> 00:03:49,670 dot the power cast calm there is a poll 86 00:03:54,610 --> 00:03:52,790 where our various members entered a 87 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:54,620 number of names including Frank and some 88 00:03:57,789 --> 00:03:55,910 other people that you know from the show 89 00:03:59,890 --> 00:03:57,799 and the question is who should co-host 90 00:04:01,780 --> 00:03:59,900 the power cast with Jean but it's not 91 00:04:04,270 --> 00:04:01,790 the intention of saying who should 92 00:04:06,009 --> 00:04:04,280 replace david bienick that's never part 93 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:06,019 of the discussion good anyway in there 94 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:07,370 is no replacement it's going to be 95 00:04:11,110 --> 00:04:08,810 interesting but anyway let's move on 96 00:04:12,610 --> 00:04:11,120 okay so we've got David Andrew you 97 00:04:14,949 --> 00:04:12,620 became acquainted with him because he 98 00:04:17,830 --> 00:04:14,959 wrote an article for your publication 99 00:04:20,379 --> 00:04:17,840 but also what feeling that you have with 100 00:04:22,570 --> 00:04:20,389 regard to his claims as I said I wasn't 101 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:22,580 nuts about it well I wasn't either and 102 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:24,620 let me clarify my comments first I 103 00:04:27,969 --> 00:04:26,450 consider David I don't know David real 104 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:27,979 well but I do consider him a friend he's 105 00:04:32,290 --> 00:04:29,780 a friend of the UFO Chronicles I have 106 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:32,300 been on his wife's show I to the sky D 107 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:35,570 Andrews a few times and I consider her 108 00:04:39,909 --> 00:04:37,430 to be a friend she's also a friend with 109 00:04:41,610 --> 00:04:39,919 the UFO Chronicles setting that aside 110 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:41,620 for a moment and just 111 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:44,050 being an objective listener and a 112 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:47,650 researcher I thought he shot himself in 113 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:49,930 the foot a little bit and perhaps a lot 114 00:04:54,540 --> 00:04:51,940 a bit and David if you're listening I 115 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:54,550 don't mean any offence by this but it 116 00:04:58,680 --> 00:04:57,010 started out he contradicted himself a 117 00:05:00,390 --> 00:04:58,690 couple times in there and I don't know 118 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:00,400 if he was trying to hold back 119 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:02,320 information and he was uncomfortable 120 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:04,810 about talking about certain things it 121 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:08,230 seemed that way as the interview moved 122 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:12,490 on my skepticism rose he started with a 123 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:15,850 few incidents early on and as time went 124 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:18,610 by an interview that changed and again 125 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:21,280 perhaps that was because he didn't want 126 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:24,250 to share certain details as a researcher 127 00:05:29,550 --> 00:05:26,020 and as you and I were talking off the 128 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:29,560 air it's one thing in regards to ufology 129 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:32,260 there there's a set of standards in in 130 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:35,110 regards to research for UFOs in general 131 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:37,690 but when you get into the abduction 132 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:41,370 phenomena the rules change it gets 133 00:05:47,370 --> 00:05:45,010 murkier if I can use that term you know 134 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:47,380 what we're dealing with ninety percent 135 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:50,530 of time are anecdotes so as a researcher 136 00:05:55,770 --> 00:05:53,710 you you want to get some cooperation to 137 00:05:57,420 --> 00:05:55,780 those anecdotes gift an abduction 138 00:05:59,730 --> 00:05:57,430 situation was there anybody else in the 139 00:06:01,860 --> 00:05:59,740 house is there physical evidence was 140 00:06:04,260 --> 00:06:01,870 there any disturbances the way were 141 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:04,270 there any eyewitnesses to any any 142 00:06:08,610 --> 00:06:06,550 disturbances in the house or entity did 143 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:08,620 anybody else see anything oftentimes 144 00:06:13,530 --> 00:06:11,440 there are UFO sightings connected to 145 00:06:15,210 --> 00:06:13,540 abduction experiences you know certainly 146 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:15,220 all those things are good and that's 147 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:18,180 what I was looking for in David's 148 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:21,430 interview one thing that I did find 149 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:23,860 interesting and he didn't go into a lot 150 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:26,290 of detail about were his family members 151 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:27,910 and he explained why he didn't want to 152 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:30,310 do that and that was okay with me but he 153 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:32,410 had mentioned that other family members 154 00:06:37,290 --> 00:06:34,960 were having these experiences now as a 155 00:06:38,850 --> 00:06:37,300 researcher that gets my attention and I 156 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:38,860 you know certainly won't know more about 157 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:41,050 that I got a hold of him shortly after 158 00:06:45,450 --> 00:06:43,210 the interview which was recorded a few 159 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:45,460 weeks ago and he had mentioned to me he 160 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:47,530 he didn't feel that it was one of his 161 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:48,190 best enter 162 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:51,130 isn't I have to agree with it also at 163 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:54,010 the end of the day both of you asked 164 00:06:59,370 --> 00:06:56,530 more than once you know could these be 165 00:07:01,820 --> 00:06:59,380 dreams and and he said it's certainly 166 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:01,830 possible so I think he's staying 167 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:06,490 open-minded to that but obviously having 168 00:07:10,290 --> 00:07:08,410 he's mentioned that he's been doing the 169 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:10,300 research for several years now he's come 170 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:12,730 on the show he's done interviews he 171 00:07:15,990 --> 00:07:14,590 mentioned that he was in the process 172 00:07:18,090 --> 00:07:16,000 although he's paused about writing a 173 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:18,100 book he certainly takes this thing 174 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:20,410 seriously and obviously he thinks it's 175 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:22,630 more than just dreams but I couldn't 176 00:07:26,130 --> 00:07:24,370 felt I walked away from the interview 177 00:07:28,140 --> 00:07:26,140 being very skeptical well I think that 178 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:28,150 kind of sums it up with me too I was 179 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:29,770 looking for some kind of X Factor 180 00:07:33,870 --> 00:07:32,770 something in the case that he was 181 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:33,880 talking about in each particular 182 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:37,120 instance of his dreams his encounters 183 00:07:42,540 --> 00:07:40,120 shall we say with alien beings he was 184 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:42,550 sleeping he was getting up from sleep it 185 00:07:47,190 --> 00:07:44,230 always seemed to be pretty much the same 186 00:07:48,660 --> 00:07:47,200 thing the only incident that seemed to 187 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:48,670 be very peculiar is where they had that 188 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:50,980 flying belt he was outfitted with his 189 00:07:55,980 --> 00:07:53,650 belt that caused him to levitate or fly 190 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:55,990 and many tells us that his father and 191 00:08:00,659 --> 00:07:57,610 his brother had the same experience that 192 00:08:03,030 --> 00:08:00,669 was unique I thought and sadly when you 193 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:03,040 recounted the old show from the 50s I 194 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:04,690 was one of the ones that knew what you 195 00:08:08,730 --> 00:08:07,090 were talking about what I was talking 196 00:08:11,430 --> 00:08:08,740 about ladies and gentlemen was a serial 197 00:08:14,220 --> 00:08:11,440 from republic called king of the rocket 198 00:08:17,100 --> 00:08:14,230 men and they basically was a leather 199 00:08:19,050 --> 00:08:17,110 suit with a helmet and a belt the belt 200 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:19,060 was the control panel it was basically 201 00:08:23,730 --> 00:08:21,370 just a rocket suit it was fitted with 202 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:23,740 rockets this day and age the closest 203 00:08:28,380 --> 00:08:25,900 equivalent of course is that James Bond 204 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:28,390 movie Thunder ball was it where he flew 205 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:30,520 the rocket suit the opening scene yes 206 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:33,760 yeah okay anyway they also to be really 207 00:08:38,909 --> 00:08:36,580 really get into trivia they also made a 208 00:08:41,430 --> 00:08:38,919 series of movies featuring a character 209 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:41,440 called commando Cody and the Lost Planet 210 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:45,040 Airmen and they used that rocket suit 211 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:47,410 they were able to take the same special 212 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:48,910 effects the flying scenes which were 213 00:08:54,540 --> 00:08:51,550 basically patterned after what Republic 214 00:08:56,910 --> 00:08:54,550 did for Captain Marvel in 1941 end of 215 00:09:00,240 --> 00:08:56,920 the story no more of that then that was 216 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:00,250 our listeners trip down memory lane it 217 00:09:05,129 --> 00:09:02,050 makes us feel very old yes 218 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:05,139 thus I you know that it was intriguing 219 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:07,689 that there was some commonality between 220 00:09:14,850 --> 00:09:11,290 the family members the question I had as 221 00:09:18,119 --> 00:09:14,860 the interview went on was how did he 222 00:09:19,859 --> 00:09:18,129 find out about that was you know how did 223 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:19,869 they all become cognizant that they each 224 00:09:26,429 --> 00:09:23,410 had this experience and of course the 225 00:09:29,369 --> 00:09:26,439 you know individual experiences lend 226 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:29,379 credence to the phenomenon he did 227 00:09:35,489 --> 00:09:32,649 mention his father's bonafide ease in 228 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:35,499 the interview which which helped I'm you 229 00:09:45,359 --> 00:09:40,290 know he's he's not the park bum you know 230 00:09:47,819 --> 00:09:45,369 X might be town USA so that lens tends 231 00:09:49,079 --> 00:09:47,829 to lend credence to the story but again 232 00:09:52,530 --> 00:09:49,089 we're dealing with you know with 233 00:09:55,139 --> 00:09:52,540 anecdotes and as a researcher you try to 234 00:09:57,479 --> 00:09:55,149 find something more and and this is not 235 00:09:59,759 --> 00:09:57,489 to say that David Andrews experiences 236 00:10:02,069 --> 00:09:59,769 aren't real I just think it did bears 237 00:10:03,509 --> 00:10:02,079 out further research and I don't in it I 238 00:10:06,119 --> 00:10:03,519 just got the feeling that he was holding 239 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:06,129 things back and I haven't spoken to him 240 00:10:12,119 --> 00:10:09,160 about this privately yet but I'd like to 241 00:10:15,059 --> 00:10:12,129 and and I thought it you know and he 242 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:15,069 didn't he as he pointed out he wasn't 243 00:10:18,210 --> 00:10:16,929 trying to sell something you know he's 244 00:10:20,340 --> 00:10:18,220 not they're trying to jam this down 245 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:20,350 everybody's throat he's putting it out 246 00:10:24,869 --> 00:10:23,529 there and he wants well in regards to 247 00:10:26,789 --> 00:10:24,879 the interview you you know let the 248 00:10:30,509 --> 00:10:26,799 listener make up their own mind and I 249 00:10:33,179 --> 00:10:30,519 appreciated that part of it but I I was 250 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:33,189 a little I had my skeptical hackles up 251 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:33,790 so to speak 252 00:10:39,090 --> 00:10:36,490 indeed evidently did well I'm too bad 253 00:10:41,009 --> 00:10:39,100 and unfortunately the story didn't end 254 00:10:42,449 --> 00:10:41,019 up being maybe as credible as we hoped 255 00:10:44,039 --> 00:10:42,459 it would be but there you go maybe 256 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:44,049 you'll have more information maybe there 257 00:10:48,239 --> 00:10:45,790 will be a reason to bring David Andrew 258 00:10:50,189 --> 00:10:48,249 back on the show to further explain what 259 00:10:52,109 --> 00:10:50,199 happened to him and give a little better 260 00:10:53,789 --> 00:10:52,119 presentation certainly you know we all 261 00:10:55,919 --> 00:10:53,799 do banned interviews we do bad shows 262 00:10:57,780 --> 00:10:55,929 maybe that was it maybe he was just 263 00:11:00,119 --> 00:10:57,790 nervous I don't know I don't pretend to 264 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:00,129 know let's see what our listeners think 265 00:11:04,829 --> 00:11:02,410 as we look at the comments from the para 266 00:11:08,909 --> 00:11:04,839 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00:12:57,970 at Radio namecheap.com 309 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:00,130 for web hosting and domain name specials 310 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:02,110 you can also follow us on twitter at 311 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:07,600 twitter.com/zeromd vars on facebook at 312 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:09,730 facebook.com slash names you see you 313 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:15,040 online you're in the para cast by Jean 314 00:13:24,449 --> 00:13:17,680 Steinberg and David B Edna you never 315 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:24,459 know what's going to happen next Jim 316 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:26,920 Marrs before you came on the para cast 317 00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:29,500 Frank and I referred to you as the 318 00:13:35,670 --> 00:13:32,800 conspiracy theory czar now do you feel 319 00:13:37,019 --> 00:13:35,680 pleased with that or insulted well you 320 00:13:38,850 --> 00:13:37,029 have to understand that the word 321 00:13:41,009 --> 00:13:38,860 conspiracy comes from the Latin can 322 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:41,019 spear I which simply means to breathe 323 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:45,910 together to Britt act in concert and all 324 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:49,570 conspiracies are not bad if you plan a 325 00:13:54,569 --> 00:13:51,760 surprise birthday party for your boss 326 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:54,579 that's a conspiracy it's not a bad 327 00:14:01,790 --> 00:13:58,930 conspiracy in fact my motto is if it's 328 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:01,800 not an act of God it's a conspiracy 329 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:03,760 because yes 330 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:06,640 accidents happen planes crash ship sink 331 00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:09,070 but if it's not just an act of God 332 00:14:13,470 --> 00:14:11,230 accident then somebody planned it that 333 00:14:16,019 --> 00:14:13,480 way well you know the thing is about all 334 00:14:17,759 --> 00:14:16,029 this is the fact that it isn't any two 335 00:14:19,620 --> 00:14:17,769 people getting together and deciding a 336 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:19,630 plan of action the conspiracy of some 337 00:14:24,810 --> 00:14:21,640 sort exactly and it doesn't necessarily 338 00:14:27,540 --> 00:14:24,820 means bad the problem is is that the 339 00:14:31,050 --> 00:14:27,550 corporate mass media over the past 340 00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:31,060 several decades have put a very negative 341 00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:33,600 connotation on the word conspiracy and 342 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:37,480 it's like an Erica stir she must be bad 343 00:14:42,780 --> 00:14:39,730 and of course that it's been 344 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:42,790 rehabilitated somewhat since 9/11 which 345 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:45,310 is kind of ironic we have won a few good 346 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:46,930 things come in model evidence you 347 00:14:51,810 --> 00:14:49,210 actually talk about conspiracy now and 348 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:51,820 and everybody doesn't just run out of 349 00:14:55,650 --> 00:14:53,890 the room and say you're a net and let me 350 00:14:58,650 --> 00:14:55,660 add this to you because usually it's not 351 00:15:03,540 --> 00:14:58,660 just conspiracy I've been accused of 352 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:03,550 being a conspiracy theorist okay now my 353 00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:06,490 response is if you can prove something 354 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:11,260 it's not a theory right well that's the 355 00:15:15,270 --> 00:15:13,030 point we're going to see what is there 356 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:15,280 that we can prove but before we even get 357 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:17,500 into that you started out in the working 358 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:19,930 world pretty much as a mainstream news 359 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:21,850 reporter correct somewhere along the 360 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:24,430 line you know you said I'm going to be a 361 00:15:28,890 --> 00:15:26,320 freelance writer and I'm going to 362 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:28,900 concentrate on conspiracies how and why 363 00:15:34,650 --> 00:15:31,570 did this happen well number one I still 364 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:34,660 consider myself a down-the-line 365 00:15:39,450 --> 00:15:37,570 journalist okay I'm still a member of 366 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:39,460 the Society of Professional Journalists 367 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:41,260 which I have been since the sixth piece 368 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:43,510 I'm a member of the investigative 369 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:46,510 editors and reporters and the only 370 00:15:52,050 --> 00:15:50,050 reason that I deal with what a lot of 371 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:52,060 people would consider conspiracies in 372 00:15:57,740 --> 00:15:54,810 some cases they are conspiracies is 373 00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:57,750 because the corporate mainstream media 374 00:16:03,870 --> 00:16:01,360 have been bought up consolidated to the 375 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:03,880 point to where they just don't want to 376 00:16:10,740 --> 00:16:07,900 deal with conspiracy so as a dedicated 377 00:16:14,070 --> 00:16:10,750 and committed journalist I've just kind 378 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:14,080 of been left with the news that the news 379 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:16,750 won't report okay that brings us to one 380 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:18,580 point before Frank asks this question 381 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:22,810 there is a theory also voiced by some 382 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:26,230 members of the television media cable TV 383 00:16:32,580 --> 00:16:29,500 that the media is oriented towards the 384 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:32,590 liberal political persuasion I maintain 385 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:35,050 that's a corporate media not necessarily 386 00:16:39,510 --> 00:16:37,090 liberal or conservative 387 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:39,520 yes exactly you're right on top of it 388 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:41,680 let me put it this way the so-called 389 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:44,890 liberal media is only as liberal as 390 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:47,950 their conservative corporate bosses 391 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:49,920 allow them to 392 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:52,200 and what I mean by that is is that yes 393 00:16:58,190 --> 00:16:54,810 you see a lot of liberal issues passed 394 00:17:00,699 --> 00:16:58,200 around in the mainstream mass media such 395 00:17:04,939 --> 00:17:00,709 as oval they'll go back and forth on 396 00:17:07,850 --> 00:17:04,949 abortion or same-sex marriage or you 397 00:17:10,340 --> 00:17:07,860 know down to yadda yadda but when do you 398 00:17:13,730 --> 00:17:10,350 see stories that go in-depth about 399 00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:13,740 corporate malfeasance very seldom 400 00:17:17,689 --> 00:17:15,929 another thing I worry about also is that 401 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:17,699 we're really just dealing with fringe 402 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:21,030 issues my employment situation or my 403 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,730 financial situation does not depend on 404 00:17:28,159 --> 00:17:25,199 gays in the military 405 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:28,169 it does not depend on whether we allow 406 00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:30,210 abortions or not and I understand people 407 00:17:34,130 --> 00:17:31,919 are allowed to have their opinions and 408 00:17:36,049 --> 00:17:34,140 we should respect their opinions but 409 00:17:38,299 --> 00:17:36,059 these are all fringe issues that have 410 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:38,309 nothing to do with anything exactly in 411 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:42,290 furthermore let me let me compare the 412 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:45,480 controversy proceeds controversy say 413 00:17:52,220 --> 00:17:49,110 over the JFK assassination as compared 414 00:17:56,299 --> 00:17:52,230 to the controversy over abortion okay 415 00:17:59,570 --> 00:17:56,309 the JFK assassination controversy is not 416 00:18:01,520 --> 00:17:59,580 truly a controversy it only appears to 417 00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:01,530 be a controversy because of the wide 418 00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:06,390 gulf between the official story which a 419 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:09,000 lot of people still just accept from 420 00:18:15,530 --> 00:18:11,610 blind faith as opposed to those who've 421 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:15,540 actually studied the case now abortion 422 00:18:21,220 --> 00:18:18,450 is a true controversy in that there are 423 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:21,230 equal numbers of thoughtful caring 424 00:18:27,799 --> 00:18:24,330 educated people on both sides who simply 425 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:27,809 cannot agree on what the facts mean and 426 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:30,270 what the interpretation should be now 427 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:32,730 right then though that shouldn't be any 428 00:18:38,270 --> 00:18:36,360 problem you know in a free society no 429 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:38,280 one should be forced to have an abortion 430 00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:41,220 no one should be forced not to have an 431 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:43,620 abortion it should be a privately held 432 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:46,530 matter between the patient and and their 433 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:49,590 doctor okay and their family it's called 434 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:50,130 freedom 435 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:52,890 oh what a concept alright let's actually 436 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:55,290 look at the various conspiracy theories 437 00:18:58,610 --> 00:18:56,850 and see where they basically have 438 00:19:01,340 --> 00:18:58,620 traction obviously the classic one is 439 00:19:02,790 --> 00:19:01,350 the JFK assassination and I should tell 440 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:02,800 you I got started 441 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:05,170 being interested in that back in the 442 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:07,720 late 1960s when I would attend lectures 443 00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:10,150 by a former New York State Assemblyman 444 00:19:15,690 --> 00:19:13,060 by the name of Mark Lane wrote a book 445 00:19:17,970 --> 00:19:15,700 called rush to judgment mm-hmm but he 446 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:17,980 was the guy who pointed out the rifle 447 00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:20,950 couldn't possibly have killed Kennedy or 448 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:23,260 fired that many shots as quickly and as 449 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:25,690 accurately all that stuff but just 450 00:19:30,990 --> 00:19:27,730 basically looking from A to Z or 451 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:31,000 whatever what are the key issues that 452 00:19:36,930 --> 00:19:34,450 make one skeptical of Lee Harvey Oswald 453 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:36,940 being the assassin well there's a number 454 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:40,270 first off and I was onto this very early 455 00:19:44,790 --> 00:19:43,360 on in fact that weekend because they 456 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:44,800 were interviewing witnesses indeed 457 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:46,810 applause and since then I myself have 458 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:48,310 him you need perhaps as many as a 459 00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:50,110 hundred people who were in Dealey Plaza 460 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:52,240 and that's including the former House 461 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:54,100 Speaker Jim Wright who was riding in the 462 00:19:58,590 --> 00:19:56,830 motorcade just a few cars behind the 463 00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,600 Kennedy limousine and they all said 464 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:01,360 there was one shot a pause two shots 465 00:20:07,620 --> 00:20:03,940 like bang bang right on top of each 466 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:07,630 other now back then even having grown up 467 00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:09,910 in Texas and been deer hunting and was 468 00:20:13,770 --> 00:20:11,980 quite familiar with bolt-action rifles I 469 00:20:16,170 --> 00:20:13,780 knew right then you do not get a bang 470 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:16,180 bang with a bolt-action rifle and sure 471 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:18,490 enough right in the Warren Report the 472 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:20,890 FBI had testified that it takes two 473 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:23,500 seconds just to two bulls and pull 474 00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,570 the trigger on a bolt-action rifle so 475 00:20:32,790 --> 00:20:27,280 the best you get with a bolt-action 476 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:32,800 rifle is bang bang bang that's it okay 477 00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:34,450 so right there there's just prime facie 478 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:36,940 evidence that one person with a 479 00:20:42,660 --> 00:20:38,560 bolt-action rifle didn't do the Sheep 480 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:42,670 all right the other thing is Oswald was 481 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:45,370 recorded as telling the authorities no 482 00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:47,230 sir I didn't shoot anyone I'm just a 483 00:20:52,260 --> 00:20:50,080 patsy which is extremely interesting 484 00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:52,270 because he didn't say I'm innocent I 485 00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:55,390 didn't do it he said I'm a patsy which 486 00:21:01,140 --> 00:20:58,510 implies that he was set up to take the 487 00:21:03,150 --> 00:21:01,150 blame and yet the Warren Commission a 488 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:03,160 select committee on assassinations nine 489 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:05,230 of the subsequent official 490 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:09,130 investigations even considered or could 491 00:21:12,509 --> 00:21:11,530 he have been set up and yes he could 492 00:21:14,009 --> 00:21:12,519 have there's an abundance 493 00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:14,019 of evidence not the least of which is 494 00:21:19,649 --> 00:21:17,440 the fact that Oswald was seen and by 495 00:21:22,379 --> 00:21:19,659 several different people in seven 496 00:21:25,139 --> 00:21:22,389 different times in places at the same 497 00:21:27,449 --> 00:21:25,149 time we see be in two places at the same 498 00:21:29,849 --> 00:21:27,459 time didn't the congressional committee 499 00:21:32,190 --> 00:21:29,859 in 74 come to the conclusion that it was 500 00:21:34,409 --> 00:21:32,200 in fact a conspiracy that's true in fact 501 00:21:37,589 --> 00:21:34,419 most people thanks to the corporate mass 502 00:21:40,619 --> 00:21:37,599 media failed to remember to know that 503 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:40,629 the last official version of the Kennedy 504 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:42,369 assassination by the United States 505 00:21:46,109 --> 00:21:44,049 government was the house like Committee 506 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:46,119 on assassinations and they concluded 507 00:21:52,739 --> 00:21:49,049 based on two separate sets of acoustical 508 00:21:55,019 --> 00:21:52,749 scientific information that there was at 509 00:21:55,469 --> 00:21:55,029 least two shooters one from the grassy 510 00:21:57,749 --> 00:21:55,479 knoll 511 00:22:00,180 --> 00:21:57,759 and that there was probably conspiracy 512 00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,190 then to kill Kennedy they said we're out 513 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:02,559 of time and money and they asked and 514 00:22:07,589 --> 00:22:05,320 herds the Justice Department to continue 515 00:22:10,469 --> 00:22:07,599 their investigation into this conspiracy 516 00:22:13,199 --> 00:22:10,479 but of course that never happened in 517 00:22:15,749 --> 00:22:13,209 fact all the Justice Department did was 518 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:15,759 convene a hand-picked panel of people 519 00:22:20,069 --> 00:22:17,529 for the from the National Academy of 520 00:22:22,739 --> 00:22:20,079 Sciences to try to call their acoustical 521 00:22:24,449 --> 00:22:22,749 studies into question and that made big 522 00:22:27,269 --> 00:22:24,459 headlines and there's people today to 523 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:27,279 think well yeah they had this mystical 524 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:28,809 evidence but that's been calling the 525 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:31,089 question what was never given proper 526 00:22:37,169 --> 00:22:33,940 media play was a few years later when a 527 00:22:39,149 --> 00:22:37,179 peer-reviewed paper scientific paper in 528 00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,159 Neyland call the National Academy of 529 00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:41,679 Sciences panel into question saying that 530 00:22:45,749 --> 00:22:43,929 their methodology was flawed and of 531 00:22:48,209 --> 00:22:45,759 course you never get to hear that so 532 00:22:50,729 --> 00:22:48,219 again it's just more controversy and 533 00:22:53,819 --> 00:22:50,739 fact let me just say that the cover-up 534 00:22:56,609 --> 00:22:53,829 in the Kennedy assassination has never 535 00:22:58,889 --> 00:22:56,619 been in the form of a proper cover-up in 536 00:23:01,319 --> 00:22:58,899 that the facts and the truth were not 537 00:23:03,869 --> 00:23:01,329 known the cover-up has been the form of 538 00:23:07,259 --> 00:23:03,879 obfuscation they have confused the issue 539 00:23:09,569 --> 00:23:07,269 they bring one hired expert to counter 540 00:23:11,399 --> 00:23:09,579 another hired expert they've got one 541 00:23:14,129 --> 00:23:11,409 person who's given all kinds of 542 00:23:16,949 --> 00:23:14,139 publicity on some book that turns out to 543 00:23:19,379 --> 00:23:16,959 be totally flawed and it just creates 544 00:23:21,989 --> 00:23:19,389 controversy until the average person 545 00:23:24,539 --> 00:23:21,999 goes man I just want to hear about this 546 00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:24,549 anymore it makes my brain hurt you know 547 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,830 what before we hurt our brain 548 00:23:30,259 --> 00:23:28,080 so let's look at what we know if 549 00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:30,269 anything about this sort of conspiracy 550 00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,539 so maybe you can tell us what do we know 551 00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:36,720 and by the way was Fred Lee Chrisman one 552 00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:38,700 of the figures in the Maury island UFO 553 00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:40,740 case one of those hobos 554 00:23:47,419 --> 00:23:44,340 uh no plaza oh he was not not Michael 555 00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:47,429 yeah I don't believe so no but I tell 556 00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,559 you one of the tall the tallest I 557 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:52,559 do believe and feel pretty convinced of 558 00:23:58,759 --> 00:23:56,250 was Charles Harrelson a convicted Texas 559 00:24:01,940 --> 00:23:58,769 hit man and the father by the way of 560 00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:01,950 Woody Harrelson the actor and how do I 561 00:24:04,399 --> 00:24:03,659 come to believe this what leads you to 562 00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:04,409 that conclusion 563 00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,080 well because number one when he was 564 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:09,600 arrested out vanil in Texas he was high 565 00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,289 on drugs 566 00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:12,960 it sounds like an Aggie story but he 567 00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:15,000 held a pistol to his head his own head 568 00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:16,350 and said you know don't move or I'll 569 00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:20,340 shoot he kept the law enforcement guys 570 00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:24,389 at bay for several hours as I recall and 571 00:24:29,779 --> 00:24:26,820 during that time he was ranting and 572 00:24:32,269 --> 00:24:29,789 raving and he said he said I'll clear up 573 00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:32,279 the judge would murder which is what he 574 00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:34,350 finally was convicted of and he said 575 00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:35,940 I'll also clear up the Kennedy 576 00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:38,190 assassination while Harrelson was in 577 00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:40,980 jail in Dallas he told a Dallas news 578 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:43,529 reporter he said the bug in my cell I 579 00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:45,330 can't really talk right now he said boss 580 00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:46,679 I get out of here I'll give you the 581 00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:48,659 biggest story you've ever had and he 582 00:24:54,919 --> 00:24:50,669 said I won't say what it is but it 583 00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:54,929 concerns November the 22nd 1963 so in my 584 00:25:01,460 --> 00:24:58,260 mind he virtually confessed it having a 585 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:01,470 role in the assassination plus the photo 586 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:04,110 analysis of the tall based on 587 00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:06,690 where he confessed to his involvement I 588 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:08,940 say I think he virtually confessed 589 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:11,250 because he he said he would clear up the 590 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:13,049 Kennedy assassination when he was 591 00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:14,850 arrested and then later told the Dallas 592 00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,470 news reporter he said I get when i get 593 00:25:22,879 --> 00:25:18,240 out here i viewed biggest story you ever 594 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:22,889 had November 22nd 1963 sounds pretty 595 00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,990 close to a confession to make then he at 596 00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:26,940 least played some role in that and at 597 00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,679 least I'd be saying that just to get out 598 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:30,720 of prison earlier get a story that's 599 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:33,330 true but then there's also the photo 600 00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:36,090 analysis of the tall and based on 601 00:25:39,260 --> 00:25:38,460 very distinctive ear and a wrinkle 602 00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,270 around this now 603 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:42,000 I can hairline and facial features and 604 00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:44,010 everything else I'm convinced as Charles 605 00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:53,510 [Music] 606 00:25:58,170 --> 00:25:55,870 picture this you're on the phone with a 607 00:26:01,100 --> 00:25:58,180 client or colleague trying to explain 608 00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:01,110 something visual a PowerPoint keynote 609 00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:03,550 presentation a website but it's 610 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:06,190 frustrating because they can't see what 611 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:08,230 you're talking about the solution good 612 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:10,930 news they can if you invite them to an 613 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:14,500 online meeting using GoToMeeting then 614 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:16,840 they can see your computer desktop on 615 00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:19,390 their computer screen so you can show 616 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:21,040 them what you're talking about 617 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:22,690 I use goto meeting all the time to 618 00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:24,370 collaborate with colleagues and with 619 00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:26,980 clients you can try goto meeting free 620 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:30,400 for 30 days but you must visit goto 621 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:33,550 meeting / podcasts let's go to 622 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:37,210 meeting.com slash podcasts for free 623 00:26:44,850 --> 00:26:42,850 30-day trial I just spun options and 624 00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:44,860 you're listening to the podcast with Jim 625 00:26:50,790 --> 00:26:48,160 Steinberg they get me and I completely 626 00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:50,800 I'm Susie ethically endorse the program 627 00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:52,870 it's an absolutely great program with 628 00:26:57,030 --> 00:26:55,260 opportunities to stretch out and talk 629 00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,040 okay we have Jim Marrs 630 00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,200 and we're talking conspiracies he is the 631 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:01,360 Czar of conspiracy theories he's been 632 00:27:04,770 --> 00:27:02,770 given that title we're going to send in 633 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:04,780 the plaque by the way and he's going to 634 00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,270 reject it okay so if Charles Harrelson 635 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:10,320 was the killer where did Cosmo fit in 636 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:12,760 exactly where he said he was he says I 637 00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:14,890 didn't see anyone I'm just Patsy and by 638 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:17,830 the way that statement was recorded on 639 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:20,440 sound and film and in later years as the 640 00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:22,570 technology became available it was 641 00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:25,270 subjected to voice stress analysis which 642 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:27,580 showed there was no stress in his voice 643 00:27:32,460 --> 00:27:29,410 which means he was telling the truth and 644 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:32,470 by the way another piece of evidence 645 00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:35,530 that strong to me shows he was innocent 646 00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:37,960 is that when the Dallas police Tara gate 647 00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:40,060 him before he was killed and based on 648 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:41,740 the Dallas police station they asked him 649 00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:43,330 where he was at the time of shooting he 650 00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:44,800 said he had been in the downstairs 651 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:47,020 lunchroom they asked him if there's 652 00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:48,490 anybody else in there with him and he 653 00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:50,260 said the other was these two colored 654 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:53,380 boys and that worked at the depository 655 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:54,970 he said one of them short I think his 656 00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,890 name is jr. and the other one I don't 657 00:28:02,220 --> 00:27:58,720 know his name but he's kind of tall and 658 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:02,230 lanky well jr. Jarman and bonny Ray 659 00:28:06,370 --> 00:28:04,250 Williams had indeed were 660 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:06,380 black employees of these tech school 661 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:08,780 book depository and had indeed been 662 00:28:13,420 --> 00:28:10,490 eating their lunch in the downstairs 663 00:28:15,970 --> 00:28:13,430 lunchroom now my question would be how 664 00:28:17,770 --> 00:28:15,980 could Oswald had possibly known that and 665 00:28:19,630 --> 00:28:17,780 how could he have accurately described 666 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:19,640 them unless he had been there to see 667 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:22,490 them did they see him possibly but you 668 00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,380 have to understand the tenure of the 669 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:27,440 times a black man in Dallas in 1963 670 00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:29,330 which was still having the white and 671 00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:31,790 colored restrooms and the wine colored 672 00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,280 drinking fountains did not tell law 673 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:36,320 enforcement anything other than what 674 00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:38,690 they wanted to hear and yet it's 675 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:40,520 interesting so of course they never 676 00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,530 asked them was the end there and they 677 00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,480 never pressed that because that was not 678 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:46,640 the agenda but it's interesting that 679 00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:49,370 during his testimony I believe it was 680 00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:52,070 jr. Jarmon when they mentioned that they 681 00:28:58,390 --> 00:28:55,340 had found Oswald's jacket and clipboard 682 00:29:00,430 --> 00:28:58,400 in the downstairs lunch room he blurted 683 00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:00,440 out and said oh yeah over there where 684 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:02,420 he's eating lunch well how would he have 685 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:04,220 known that unless he'd been there to see 686 00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:06,370 him down there eating lunch well I think 687 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:09,350 it comes back to the Carcano rifle and 688 00:29:13,420 --> 00:29:10,910 it is the bolt-action Carcano rifle 689 00:29:15,550 --> 00:29:13,430 let's take the president out of it for a 690 00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:15,560 moment you have a movie not a static 691 00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:17,150 target but yet you have a moving target 692 00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:20,600 out that window I don't recall the 693 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:23,420 distance but I know he'll and laterally 694 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:25,610 away from me with a tree intervening in 695 00:29:31,270 --> 00:29:28,010 the satellite aside you can't make that 696 00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:31,280 shot if it's just a dummy going down 697 00:29:36,850 --> 00:29:34,070 there in the time frame alleged it's 698 00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,860 less an assassination of the president 699 00:29:41,470 --> 00:29:38,960 of United States it's impossible let me 700 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:41,480 add to that and in the Marines that when 701 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:43,460 Oliver and the Marines that the first 702 00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:46,910 time in October 1956 when they put him 703 00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,430 on the firing range he could not qualify 704 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:51,200 in other words you couldn't even hit the 705 00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:53,450 target finally in 1959 it was you 706 00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:55,310 getting out of the Marines maybe maybe 707 00:29:59,860 --> 00:29:57,620 it had a little fracas or maybe they got 708 00:30:03,370 --> 00:29:59,870 somebody to shoot for him but he finally 709 00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:03,380 qualified his marksman but by only one 710 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:06,590 point and marksman is the lowest of the 711 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:09,250 three categories its marksman 712 00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:12,890 sharpshooter expert and he barely made 713 00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:15,900 marksman by one point so in other words 714 00:30:21,050 --> 00:30:17,880 according to his marine records he was a 715 00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:21,060 lousy shot okay so we have Lee Harvey 716 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:22,740 Oswald in the Texas School Book 717 00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:24,930 Depository we have one of the hobos 718 00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:27,270 Charles Harrelson one of the hobos who 719 00:30:32,420 --> 00:30:29,190 may have been the guy who pulled the 720 00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:32,430 trigger okay so if Lee Harvey Oswald was 721 00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:35,190 the Patsy what role did he play the 722 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:37,680 Patsy he was the guy 723 00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:40,110 no I'm saying your name I know I hear 724 00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:42,030 you let me let me explain sure I do 725 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:46,500 I think Oswald in some way was mixed up 726 00:30:54,670 --> 00:30:51,150 in an assassination cowbell or a plot 727 00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:54,680 okay but I have every reason to believe 728 00:30:58,580 --> 00:30:56,670 probably we don't have enough time 729 00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,590 didn't go into it but let me give you 730 00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:01,440 one one little minor thing and talking 731 00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,720 to his mother Marguerite she one time 732 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:06,480 told me about a time when Lee was in 733 00:31:11,140 --> 00:31:08,610 junior high school and he showed up 734 00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:11,150 after school at his home with a military 735 00:31:16,790 --> 00:31:14,220 officer and the military officer was 736 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:16,800 telling mrs. Oswald well your son's 737 00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:18,930 sharp he's really a bright lad he's a 738 00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:21,720 self-starter self-motivator he's the 739 00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:25,230 very kind of guy we need okay so I think 740 00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:27,720 that the military and our intelligence 741 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:30,830 were aware of Oswald and had basically 742 00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,510 cultivated him since in junior high 743 00:31:38,390 --> 00:31:35,880 school and I think by the time he got 744 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:38,400 into the Marines there are some very 745 00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,410 strange periods of times when he was 746 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:42,600 missing from training when there was no 747 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:44,490 explanation of where he was or what he 748 00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:45,210 was doing 749 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:47,700 and according to others who were with 750 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,490 him at that time they too were recruited 751 00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,100 into the CIA and I think Oswald was 752 00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,380 recruited as a low-level agent I think 753 00:31:59,420 --> 00:31:57,600 that's what his assignment first big 754 00:32:02,690 --> 00:31:59,430 assignment was to go to Russia for 755 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:02,700 whatever purposes and then come back and 756 00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:04,770 I think that he was picked up as the 757 00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:07,830 perfect Patsy because every the 758 00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:10,950 intelligence agencies the military the 759 00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:13,980 anti-castro Cubans everybody concerned 760 00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:16,950 had to run for cover denouncing Mac like 761 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:19,470 they never knew what a perfect Patsy 762 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:21,930 for the assassination okay you want it 763 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:22,570 running this 764 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:26,140 but then who did it okay he did it well 765 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:28,660 it's probably either say who didn't do 766 00:32:33,030 --> 00:32:31,210 it but okay let me put it this way he 767 00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:33,040 came he was killed a military-style 768 00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:36,520 ambush triangulation of fire by a very 769 00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:39,340 very competent professionals and then 770 00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:41,140 the whole thing was just as I said 771 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:43,870 obfuscated the trail was covered by 772 00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:46,930 halle kinds of misdirection and they 773 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:48,190 kept everyone 774 00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:51,130 off-balance for years because once you 775 00:32:55,950 --> 00:32:54,190 discard the fun elements like Castro did 776 00:32:59,280 --> 00:32:55,960 Khrushchev did it and there's absolutely 777 00:33:01,230 --> 00:32:59,290 no evidence to point to that then you're 778 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:01,240 left with what people have argued about 779 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:04,690 for the last 47 years was it the CIA was 780 00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,630 it the FBI was it the military was it 781 00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:10,000 the anti-castro Cubans was it the Mafia 782 00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:13,150 and the answer is yes all the above 783 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:15,340 because they were all involved in 784 00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:17,950 operation Mongoose the secret war 785 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:21,340 against Castro operated by the CIA that 786 00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:23,110 to include assassination 787 00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:25,030 so all they did was send their heat 788 00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:27,580 teams to Dallas because in their mind 789 00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:30,550 there was more of a danger in Washington 790 00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:32,740 from Kennedy than there was from Castro 791 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:35,320 Jim wasn't it in Dealey Plaza that day 792 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:37,720 wasn't it like old home club with all 793 00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:40,510 the players that were there yes exactly 794 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:42,340 there was even an army intelligence 795 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:45,400 agent who was taking pictures of the 796 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:46,650 front of the School Book Depository 797 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:49,450 before the shooting and then made a 798 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:51,510 mistake of going inside and has show us 799 00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:54,610 Residential's to get out and that's how 800 00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:56,110 he became part of the official record 801 00:34:01,530 --> 00:33:58,690 and of course you would have to wonder 802 00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:01,540 what's an army intelligence agent taking 803 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:02,830 pictures of the front of skubick 804 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:04,810 depository prior to the assassination 805 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:07,090 and yeah you're right from what I 806 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:09,250 understand there were elements of the 807 00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,950 Mafia helmets of the Mossad I'll 808 00:34:16,830 --> 00:34:14,560 probably KGB agent it's probably all 809 00:34:19,350 --> 00:34:16,840 kinds of intelligence people crawling 810 00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:19,360 around Davie Plaza because many many 811 00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:20,740 people knew what was going to happen 812 00:34:24,669 --> 00:34:23,110 I've been told in fact there's a 813 00:34:26,139 --> 00:34:24,679 confession 814 00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,149 familiar with the the video the 815 00:34:31,899 --> 00:34:28,879 confession of an assassin oh yes James 816 00:34:35,049 --> 00:34:31,909 file yeah yeah well you know I've been 817 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:35,059 to Joliet and sat down and interviewed 818 00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:37,970 James files really yes well that's 819 00:34:42,909 --> 00:34:40,550 that's another show and I got to tell 820 00:34:45,329 --> 00:34:42,919 you this though I was really looking 821 00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:45,339 forward to that because I had seen his 822 00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:49,190 confession and it made a lot of sense to 823 00:34:54,730 --> 00:34:51,950 fit from a lot of things that I knew but 824 00:34:57,700 --> 00:34:54,740 I really was not convinced that he's the 825 00:35:01,720 --> 00:34:57,710 guy so I always thought you know based 826 00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:01,730 on my well honed journalistic intuition 827 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:03,470 if I could just sit in front of guy 828 00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:05,690 looking his eyes I think I'd be able to 829 00:35:10,359 --> 00:35:07,430 tell whether it's really the truth or 830 00:35:12,549 --> 00:35:10,369 not but I got to tell you guys I said 831 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:12,559 right there we talk I'll listen to 832 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:15,010 everything he had to say and I am still 833 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:16,690 undecided 834 00:35:21,069 --> 00:35:19,010 because what do you think about the 835 00:35:23,950 --> 00:35:21,079 Remington fireball as the weapon there 836 00:35:26,890 --> 00:35:23,960 was such a weapon and I definitely think 837 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:26,900 that that is as described by files are 838 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:31,240 222 with a hollowed-out tip in hand with 839 00:35:36,849 --> 00:35:34,609 explosives in there yes which certainly 840 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:36,859 fits done right it certainly fits and it 841 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:39,680 fits with the explosive nature of the 842 00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:42,890 headshot yeah yeah and you know and I'll 843 00:35:47,049 --> 00:35:45,260 say this I don't think Klaus is totally 844 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:47,059 lying about everything Charles knows a 845 00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,970 lot but then he was definitely part of 846 00:35:54,130 --> 00:35:52,400 that Chicago mob and in fact 847 00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:54,140 particularly was the driver and 848 00:35:59,260 --> 00:35:56,780 right-hand man to charles Nicoletti the 849 00:36:01,359 --> 00:35:59,270 premiere hitman for the Chicago mob and 850 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:01,369 I think he knows what he's talking about 851 00:36:06,220 --> 00:36:03,410 and the only thing I'm still undecided 852 00:36:08,380 --> 00:36:06,230 on is was he truly the guy that pulled 853 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:08,390 the trigger or is he just like you said 854 00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,890 earlier kind of get out of jail by 855 00:36:14,349 --> 00:36:11,839 telling some of the intimate details 856 00:36:17,859 --> 00:36:14,359 that he learned from others in the mob 857 00:36:19,539 --> 00:36:17,869 well he's adding to the chaff oh yeah 858 00:36:21,789 --> 00:36:19,549 everything is already out there yeah a 859 00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,799 lot of noise yeah lot of noise keep it 860 00:36:25,809 --> 00:36:23,839 confused and that way it doesn't ever 861 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:25,819 get decided but here guys here's the 862 00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,890 Kennedy assassination in nutshell once 863 00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,599 you study the case and once you study 864 00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:32,240 just just a cursory examination of all 865 00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:34,430 the information that is now available it 866 00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:36,950 becomes quite clear that it was not one 867 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:38,550 person 868 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:41,370 volley assassination so once you set of 869 00:36:46,610 --> 00:36:44,370 all aside then you come to understand 870 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:46,620 what the House Committee concluded which 871 00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:49,050 is it was a conspiracy now where there's 872 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:52,260 Oswal and one friend or are a huge 873 00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:54,180 high-level conspiracy nevertheless it 874 00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:57,510 was a conspiracy all right now you got 875 00:37:02,330 --> 00:36:59,640 to understand that that conspiracy is 876 00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:02,340 still not known why because it's been 877 00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,950 covered up and obscured at the highest 878 00:37:09,590 --> 00:37:06,960 levels of the federal government of the 879 00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:09,600 United States Lyndon Johnson Jagger 880 00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,180 Hoover took steps to block any 881 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:15,180 meaningful investigation and to block 882 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:18,780 the truth that's what turns what was in 883 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,330 nineteen sixty three another Texas 884 00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:24,960 homicide into a national coup d'etat and 885 00:37:28,460 --> 00:37:27,060 if you want to know who's guilty then 886 00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,470 I'm going to give you the names all 887 00:37:32,570 --> 00:37:30,240 right and the names are lyndon b johnson 888 00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:32,580 and his next door neighbor and buddy 889 00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:34,980 jagger hoover who's head of the FBI at 890 00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:38,070 that time now can i prove the Johnson 891 00:37:43,850 --> 00:37:40,680 Hoover ordered or even orchestrated the 892 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:43,860 assassination no I cannot but what I can 893 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:46,110 prove beyond any reasonable shadow of a 894 00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:48,360 doubt is that both those men took steps 895 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,030 to obscure the truth of the 896 00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,040 assassination and that makes them under 897 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:55,560 our legal system accessories after the 898 00:38:01,310 --> 00:37:58,650 fact and I don't know I know in Texas 899 00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:01,320 we've actually executed people who the 900 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:03,900 facts of the case showed did not pull 901 00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:06,090 the trigger but they knew what was going 902 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,580 on they did not turn into killers they 903 00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,560 helped the killers to escape and they 904 00:38:15,590 --> 00:38:12,720 helped hide the truth of the killing and 905 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,600 they were executed as accessories after 906 00:38:21,110 --> 00:38:18,480 the fact and Jagger Hoover and Lyndon 907 00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,120 Johnson are guilty in the assassination 908 00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:24,000 as being accessories after the fact ok 909 00:38:27,830 --> 00:38:25,380 we can see where Lyndon Johnson 910 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:27,840 certainly had a lot to gain from killing 911 00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:29,850 the president since he's next in line 912 00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:32,190 why J Edgar Hoover why would he be 913 00:38:36,110 --> 00:38:34,140 involved well because the Kennedys had 914 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:36,120 made no real secret that they were going 915 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:39,210 to fire Hoover he was facing the end of 916 00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:42,180 his extraordinary long career as head of 917 00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:44,220 the FBI which went all the way back into 918 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:47,430 the 1920s so he was about to lose his 919 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:50,730 job as the premier law enforcement 920 00:38:57,830 --> 00:38:53,730 in the United States and so but Kennedy 921 00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:57,840 is killed and in January 1964 huh just 922 00:39:02,210 --> 00:38:59,940 just a month or so after the 923 00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:02,220 assassination Lyndon Johnson had a 924 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:05,260 special ceremony in the Rose Garden and 925 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:06,530 [Applause] 926 00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:09,660 exempted his buddy Jagger Hoover from 927 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:12,300 the mandatory federal Rico requirement 928 00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:16,530 age laws and installed him essentially 929 00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:19,560 then as FBI director for life so he got 930 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:21,630 to keep his job so that explains how 931 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:24,450 Bobby Kennedy was killed - right right 932 00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,970 yeah Bobby Kennedy was actually they 933 00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,280 just rocking the boat in terms of Hoover 934 00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:31,740 I mean it up although Hoover is looking 935 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,390 at them both jointly but that they were 936 00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:35,760 butting heads well yeah and Robert 937 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:37,980 Kennedy for those who don't recall he 938 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:39,810 had been named Attorney General of the 939 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:41,790 United States by his brother President 940 00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,410 Kennedy and one of the first things he 941 00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:45,780 did was put in a straight line telephone 942 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:48,420 - Jagger Hoover's office so that he 943 00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:49,890 could pick up the telephone and say 944 00:39:53,180 --> 00:39:51,660 Jagger here's what you're going to do 945 00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:53,190 here's what you're not going to do and 946 00:39:58,580 --> 00:39:56,310 who were chased under that situation and 947 00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,590 on Saturday morning following the Friday 948 00:40:02,540 --> 00:40:00,480 assassination the first thing that 949 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:02,550 happened was they pulled a straight line 950 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:04,290 I love Hoover's office he didn't have to 951 00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:06,450 answer to Bobby Kennedy anymore and let 952 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:08,670 me mention that in California just a few 953 00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:11,130 days before he himself was assassinated 954 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:14,430 in 1968 Robert Kennedy was asked by some 955 00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:17,130 college kids you know what could you do 956 00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,140 about the desert of his brother and he 957 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:21,420 was quoted as saying to them I cannot do 958 00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,770 anything about the death of my brother 959 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:25,440 until I have the power of the presidency 960 00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:28,170 which tells me that he understood what I 961 00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:30,780 now understand which is you would have 962 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:33,660 to have the power over the Pentagon the 963 00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:36,330 CIA the FBI the Secret Service before 964 00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:38,220 you could ever do anything meaningful 965 00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:40,200 about timing the truth and Kennedy 966 00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:42,630 assassinations so obviously he had to be 967 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:44,700 stopped yes and I don't think it was 968 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:46,650 just some coincidence that the very 969 00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:48,810 night that he had just won the 970 00:40:52,609 --> 00:40:50,430 Democratic nomination for the state of 971 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:52,619 California was pretty well sensed him 972 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:54,810 for the Democratic nomination at the 973 00:40:59,090 --> 00:40:56,850 National Convention he was assassinated 974 00:41:02,380 --> 00:40:59,100 and that assassination too is fraught 975 00:41:04,090 --> 00:41:02,390 with inconsistencies missing evidence 976 00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:04,100 fabricated evidence 977 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:06,200 we see the same MO as the JFK 978 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:07,310 assassination 979 00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:10,610 okay one more thing about that which is 980 00:41:15,010 --> 00:41:12,620 are we ever going to know does any 981 00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:15,020 president since Johnson have any 982 00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:17,870 incentive or interest in dredging up 983 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:21,680 this stuff well it means first off a 984 00:41:26,830 --> 00:41:24,410 massive clear memory that's not right I 985 00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:26,840 messed this question all the time where 986 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:29,270 we ever know the truth about who killed 987 00:41:35,350 --> 00:41:32,570 Kennedy and my standard response is we 988 00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:35,360 know the truth right now okay you're not 989 00:41:40,180 --> 00:41:37,940 really asking the right question what 990 00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:40,190 you're really asking is will there ever 991 00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:42,440 come a day when there's a news 992 00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:44,120 conference a national a news conference 993 00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:46,760 and somebody with authority and the 994 00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,920 government would stand up and say okay 995 00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:51,200 okay here's what really happened it's 996 00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:54,260 President Kennedy no that is not going 997 00:41:58,720 --> 00:41:56,540 to happen but if you want to know what 998 00:42:01,720 --> 00:41:58,730 happened to Kennedy just read the 999 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:01,730 material and I'm good study the case and 1000 00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:04,250 then think of it to put yourself in the 1001 00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:06,790 position of Sherlock Holmes okay 1002 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:10,340 disregard the flaky stuff stick with the 1003 00:42:15,070 --> 00:42:12,530 facts and you will know the truth of it 1004 00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:15,080 and will anybody come out right now take 1005 00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:17,000 of all the talk that's lolling around 1006 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:20,240 now about how the Barack Hussein Obama 1007 00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:23,090 is likely to be assassinated there 1008 00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:24,920 aren't in laying the groundwork you know 1009 00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:27,110 so if it happens nobody's going to be 1010 00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,620 too shocked and amazed so no they at 1011 00:42:35,710 --> 00:42:33,440 that level they know if they try to go 1012 00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:35,720 into the heart of the beast if they try 1013 00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:38,590 to come out publicly and talk about the 1014 00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:41,420 unwarranted power of the 1015 00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:44,180 military-industrial complex as Dwight 1016 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:46,340 Eisenhower called it and I would include 1017 00:42:52,510 --> 00:42:50,000 the intelligence community that hey they 1018 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:52,520 can get knocked off to their plane can 1019 00:42:57,530 --> 00:43:02,560 [Music] 1020 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:05,660 fate magazine provides true reports of 1021 00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:07,770 the strange and unknown keep up with the 1022 00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:10,350 latest on angels and miracles psychic 1023 00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:13,500 phenomena ghosts UFOs life after death 1024 00:43:16,850 --> 00:43:14,430 and much much more 1025 00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:16,860 to receive your free issue of faith 1026 00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:19,500 magazine call now at one eight hundred 1027 00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:23,460 seven two eight two seven three zero or 1028 00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:28,230 visit their website at wwlp.com that's 1029 00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:31,140 one eight hundred seven two eight 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1044 00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:20,160 talking about a couple of movies that 1045 00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:22,950 seemed to mimic reality in a couple of 1046 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:24,990 senses maybe you could talk about this 1047 00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:27,330 the long kiss goodnight with Geena Davis 1048 00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:29,580 where you have a it's basically movie 1049 00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:32,190 about this woman who is a CIA assassin 1050 00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:34,110 who loses our memory in a car crash and 1051 00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:36,420 she breaks up a plot by apparently the 1052 00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,320 CIA to stage a terrorist act kill a lot 1053 00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:42,960 of people because their funding had been 1054 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:44,700 cut and we have a movie called the siege 1055 00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:48,690 where we the CIA was basically feeding 1056 00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:52,350 these Afghanistan rebels back in the 1057 00:44:57,110 --> 00:44:55,500 1980s we would train them and then we 1058 00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:57,120 abandoned them and then they came back 1059 00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,130 and became our worst enemy and of course 1060 00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:00,720 that leads you to think about people 1061 00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:02,940 like Osama bin Laden all right 1062 00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,720 absolutely 1063 00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:06,060 by the way if you read my book Tutera 1064 00:45:13,310 --> 00:45:10,080 conspiracy man deception 9/11 and the 1065 00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,320 loss of Liberty you'll find that in the 1066 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:14,560 80s 1067 00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,090 the London was actually brought to the 1068 00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:18,400 United States under the name Tim Osman 1069 00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:20,500 met with security and intelligence 1070 00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:23,230 officials and was given training and 1071 00:45:28,410 --> 00:45:25,840 money to go back and prosecute the war 1072 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:28,420 against the Russians in Afghanistan some 1073 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:31,330 others I mean now you know there's no 1074 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,610 line and in fact I've heard it repeated 1075 00:45:38,370 --> 00:45:36,160 in several movies a long ones the ones 1076 00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:38,380 you mentioned that once in the CIA 1077 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:41,710 always in the CIA so you know you have 1078 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:43,570 to ask yourself you know what's really 1079 00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,850 going on in fact in my book at erä 1080 00:45:52,050 --> 00:45:48,160 conspiracy I'll bring up the case of Abu 1081 00:45:56,250 --> 00:45:52,060 Zubaydah now Abu was arrested in 1082 00:45:59,220 --> 00:45:56,260 Pakistan in the mid 2002 and the White 1083 00:46:00,900 --> 00:45:59,230 House press secretary at that time Scott 1084 00:46:03,150 --> 00:46:00,910 McClellan said he was the 1085 00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,160 highest-ranking al-qaida chief that they 1086 00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:05,440 had caught to date and by golly they 1087 00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:07,360 were going to make him talk well they 1088 00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:09,820 did and his long story there had been 1089 00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:11,800 it's interesting that they tortured him 1090 00:46:16,110 --> 00:46:13,480 they waterboarded him but that didn't 1091 00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:16,120 work they finally tricked him and that 1092 00:46:20,970 --> 00:46:18,520 work and what they found out from him 1093 00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:20,980 was that he was actually reporting back 1094 00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,670 to three Saudi princes and he named him 1095 00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:27,520 and gave their private unlisted cell 1096 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:30,460 phone numbers was checked out and that 1097 00:46:36,030 --> 00:46:32,530 he was operating through a cutout an Air 1098 00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:36,040 Marshal near of Pakistan within a couple 1099 00:46:40,770 --> 00:46:37,990 of months of this information coming out 1100 00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:40,780 all three Saudi princes and Air Marshal 1101 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:42,520 Mirror were dead 1102 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:44,530 okay killed in car crashes in an 1103 00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:47,350 airplane crash in blah blah blah so that 1104 00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:49,900 is an amazing piece of information right 1105 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:52,420 there because that means al Qaeda was 1106 00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,610 actually being given its marching orders 1107 00:46:59,720 --> 00:46:57,760 by people within Saudi Arabia and then 1108 00:47:03,000 --> 00:46:59,730 you have stopped and recalled that the 1109 00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:03,010 closest business and social friends to 1110 00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:05,020 the Saudi royals was the Bush family 1111 00:47:08,730 --> 00:47:07,150 okay I see where you're going here so 1112 00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:08,740 let's just take it and see what evidence 1113 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:11,260 there is you're saying that the bushes 1114 00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:14,050 the CIA whatever was responsible for 1115 00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:16,990 9/11 or knew about it let it happen it 1116 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:19,150 didn't stop it I would like to use for 1117 00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:20,890 you to explain to me any other 1118 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:23,380 explanation of why that for about more 1119 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:25,510 than a hundred times in the year up to 1120 00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:26,930 9/11 that 1121 00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:29,000 had been our alarm somebody went off of 1122 00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:32,510 went into forbidden restricted airspace 1123 00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:35,510 or it got off their flight path and that 1124 00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:38,660 jet interceptors were lost within five 1125 00:47:42,849 --> 00:47:40,280 or ten minutes you might recall the case 1126 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:42,859 of the golfer Payne Stewart they suffer 1127 00:47:48,099 --> 00:47:45,530 the oxygen malfunction and his Lear jet 1128 00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:48,109 went off course and they had fighter 1129 00:47:52,839 --> 00:47:50,150 interceptors all over him within about 1130 00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:52,849 10 to 15 minutes and yet on the morning 1131 00:47:57,549 --> 00:47:54,980 around 11:00 after operating perfectly 1132 00:48:00,040 --> 00:47:57,559 for more than a year up to that point 1133 00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,050 the hijacked planes flew around for up 1134 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:01,760 to an hour and a half with no 1135 00:48:06,130 --> 00:48:04,250 interceptors now how's that possible and 1136 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:06,140 they hit the Pentagon one of the most 1137 00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:08,930 heavily guarded buildings in the world 1138 00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:10,520 and furthermore another thing that they 1139 00:48:15,540 --> 00:48:13,309 will not do not talk about is I know for 1140 00:48:18,190 --> 00:48:15,550 certain that the Pentagon is guarded by 1141 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:18,200 automated anti-aircraft missile 1142 00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,690 batteries okay and if you come close to 1143 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:22,880 the Pentagon and you're not sending out 1144 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:25,010 a transponder signal it's a friendly 1145 00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,050 signal that those things automatically 1146 00:48:31,780 --> 00:48:28,880 activate and you're knocked down with a 1147 00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:31,790 missile so you tell me why that they 1148 00:48:36,910 --> 00:48:34,760 were mute that morning it's an inside 1149 00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,920 job for what purpose 1150 00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:39,200 hello look what happened they were able 1151 00:48:43,809 --> 00:48:41,720 to activate their plans and what were 1152 00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:43,819 their plans let's go back a year to 1153 00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:46,910 September of 2000 when the project for 1154 00:48:52,690 --> 00:48:49,940 new American Century a neocon think tank 1155 00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:52,700 that included Cheney and Rumsfeld and 1156 00:48:59,289 --> 00:48:56,030 Wolfowitz and all these guys issued a 1157 00:49:01,390 --> 00:48:59,299 position paper called rebuilding 1158 00:49:04,930 --> 00:49:01,400 America's defenses and in there they 1159 00:49:07,630 --> 00:49:04,940 reiterated Cheney's call for increased 1160 00:49:09,970 --> 00:49:07,640 military forces in the Middle East gain 1161 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:09,980 control over their oil supplies an 1162 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:13,490 invasion of Afghanistan and a regime 1163 00:49:18,270 --> 00:49:14,930 change in Iraq 1164 00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:18,280 and however the authors of this paper 1165 00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:21,589 were pretty prescient they said you know 1166 00:49:25,950 --> 00:49:23,180 there's going to be a hard sell to the 1167 00:49:29,049 --> 00:49:25,960 American public unless there is a quote 1168 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:29,059 catalyzing catastrophic event like a new 1169 00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:32,569 Pearl Harbor in quote a year later they 1170 00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,240 got just such an event open fear that's 1171 00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:36,960 that's how the countries 1172 00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:39,150 or that's how sounds are done opens 1173 00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:43,020 exactly and mostly fear okay you got to 1174 00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,360 do what we say or you might lose your 1175 00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,700 job you might lose your pension you 1176 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:50,160 might lose your vote you know and if he 1177 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:51,930 caused us enough trouble you might lose 1178 00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:54,690 your life all built on fear in fact 1179 00:49:58,850 --> 00:49:56,520 think about this guys during the height 1180 00:50:00,920 --> 00:49:58,860 of World War two when we were faced with 1181 00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:00,930 imminent invasion by the Japanese 1182 00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,720 military and that we were really facing 1183 00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:06,180 one of the most powerful militaries in 1184 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:08,940 the world the Nazi the German fairmark 1185 00:50:14,060 --> 00:50:11,850 our President Franklin Roosevelt talked 1186 00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:14,070 to the nation and What did he say 1187 00:50:19,460 --> 00:50:16,830 be fearful rejecting up the law our 1188 00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:19,470 enemy alarm no he said we the only thing 1189 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:22,590 we have to fear is fear itself let's all 1190 00:50:28,490 --> 00:50:25,050 band together is Americans young Oh 1191 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:28,500 white red black Baptist Jewish Christian 1192 00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:30,330 you know who knows let's all be 1193 00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,750 Americans and let's dig in and let's get 1194 00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:35,760 this job and let's save democracy of the 1195 00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:37,950 world and we did okay 1196 00:50:42,830 --> 00:50:40,980 and now look after 9/11 all we got was 1197 00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:42,840 will be afraid be very afraid 1198 00:50:47,870 --> 00:50:45,480 terror slime but to a orange today you 1199 00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:47,880 know oh but go shopping can you keep 1200 00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:50,550 shopping okay so this is something that 1201 00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:53,460 the CIA sponsors but before we even get 1202 00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:55,950 to the obvious consequences why it's Jim 1203 00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,650 Marrs still alive oh because I'm just a 1204 00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,000 conspiracy theorist 1205 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:01,920 you know they can't attack my 1206 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:04,410 information so they just attacked me but 1207 00:51:08,660 --> 00:51:06,210 they're I'm kind of hard to attack 1208 00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:08,670 really because I'm just an honest 1209 00:51:14,090 --> 00:51:11,670 taxpaying church member remember the 1210 00:51:15,620 --> 00:51:14,100 public that you know I'll have a mental 1211 00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:15,630 history record I'll have a criminal 1212 00:51:20,420 --> 00:51:18,630 record I mean you know it's kind of hard 1213 00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:20,430 and they certainly can't attack my 1214 00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:22,140 information because I double-check my 1215 00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:23,910 sources a double-check your information 1216 00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:25,830 when I tell you something is generally 1217 00:51:31,340 --> 00:51:28,080 and take it to the bank so I'm about all 1218 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:31,350 I can do is give me benign neglect you 1219 00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:34,050 know you notice I'm not on Good Morning 1220 00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:37,590 America you notice I'm not on any of 1221 00:51:43,340 --> 00:51:39,900 those national talk shows you'll see me 1222 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:43,350 on Glenn Beck or I can't get as big 1223 00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:44,970 people that would be interesting to have 1224 00:51:50,540 --> 00:51:47,340 you and Glenn back together all it would 1225 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:50,550 because other guy a few choice questions 1226 00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,650 like to ask a blend bag like you know 1227 00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:54,960 what I dunno what yes I'll tell you what 1228 00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:56,910 since you raised that before we go on 1229 00:52:01,690 --> 00:51:59,520 what choice questions lay a few on me 1230 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:01,700 that you would like to ask Glenn Beck 1231 00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:04,410 well first off I'd like to ask him why 1232 00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:07,080 did he got all head up and said I have 1233 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:09,420 found the evidence that FEMA is building 1234 00:52:13,310 --> 00:52:11,970 these concentration camps all across the 1235 00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:13,320 country and tomorrow I'm going to 1236 00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:15,180 provide you with the evidence and then 1237 00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:17,940 the next day backs off and says oh well 1238 00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:19,830 now I know already that there was really 1239 00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:22,110 nothing to all that I would like know 1240 00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:24,750 who told him what okay somebody 1241 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:27,420 preparing to him and now also like 1242 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:30,390 asking why recently to the poor guy down 1243 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:32,570 Austin flew the plane into IRS building 1244 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:35,690 Glenn Beck was on there trying to equate 1245 00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:39,210 violent actions like that with the Tea 1246 00:52:44,690 --> 00:52:42,150 Partiers and the Tenth Amendment people 1247 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:44,700 in the patriot movement and I'm just 1248 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:46,650 wondering you know I'd like to know who 1249 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:49,650 how does he justify that because there's 1250 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:52,050 never been anybody truly connected to 1251 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:54,930 the patriot movement that is ever you 1252 00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:56,970 know committed a violent act it's always 1253 00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:58,530 somebody on the other side or somebody 1254 00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,300 connected with the government okay so 1255 00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:02,400 having done all this what does the 1256 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:04,740 government gain do they gain oil riches 1257 00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:07,410 from Iraq what well the whole raft of 1258 00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:09,240 things you know we're now militarily 1259 00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:12,030 occupying Haiti which they just 1260 00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,310 discovered a few years ago prior to the 1261 00:53:19,460 --> 00:53:16,920 earthquake that they had some untapped 1262 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:19,470 huge oil reserves down there so now we 1263 00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:22,290 got control over that and all we had to 1264 00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:23,750 do is saying that we were on a 1265 00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:25,710 humanitarian mission although we didn't 1266 00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:27,960 really send food water we sent a carrier 1267 00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:30,870 group with armed soldiers and then we of 1268 00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:33,780 course we're occupying Iraq you know 1269 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:36,390 with it's all reserves and we're trying 1270 00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:39,090 to occupy Afghanistan so we can secure 1271 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:42,720 the gas pipeline for unic all that goes 1272 00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:44,850 through there as well as but the poppy 1273 00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:47,550 fields back into production the Taliban 1274 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:49,350 who I don't have really anything much to 1275 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:51,450 say good about we're nevertheless 1276 00:53:59,360 --> 00:53:54,570 religious fanatics and in chief about 1277 00:54:01,700 --> 00:53:59,370 2001 they had eradicated about 90% of 1278 00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,710 the poppy crop well that puts a big dent 1279 00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:03,420 in the world heroin 1280 00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:06,329 trade and so we invade since we're 1281 00:54:13,220 --> 00:54:09,510 supposedly fighting a war on drugs did 1282 00:54:15,620 --> 00:54:13,230 we knock out the other 10% and knock out 1283 00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,630 the heroin trade no we put all the 1284 00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,520 fields back into cultivation and now 1285 00:54:22,789 --> 00:54:20,160 there's more poppies under cultivation 1286 00:54:25,579 --> 00:54:22,799 than there were you know long before the 1287 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:25,589 Taliban came along people have stop and 1288 00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:27,569 think for themselves they can't just 1289 00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:30,030 listen to the corporate control mass 1290 00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:31,950 media and math understand what's going 1291 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:34,859 on the defense budget as hard as it's 1292 00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,369 ever been 1293 00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,440 much higher than it was in the middle of 1294 00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:38,880 World War two when we were really 1295 00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:41,640 finding a world war it's amazing you 1296 00:54:46,030 --> 00:54:43,859 know in fact take it into account I'd 1297 00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,040 only the defense budget but all 1298 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:48,480 ancillary matters like all of the 1299 00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,490 contracts go into contractors the 1300 00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,200 private contractors that are now 1301 00:54:57,380 --> 00:54:54,720 fighting our Wars for us and you throw 1302 00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:57,390 in military retirement all like that 1303 00:55:04,299 --> 00:55:01,440 military is sucking down more than 50% 1304 00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:04,309 of our gross national product it's 1305 00:55:08,750 --> 00:55:06,839 amazing but nobody really gets told that 1306 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:08,760 so nobody thinks about that okay so 1307 00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:10,890 supposedly when they cut back on a few 1308 00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:13,230 weapon systems because they're wasteful 1309 00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:14,819 that's just window dressing 1310 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:16,470 that's window dressing because they've 1311 00:55:21,140 --> 00:55:18,210 got stuff in the wings that you and I 1312 00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,150 can hardly even imagine let me take 1313 00:55:27,140 --> 00:55:23,760 something back in the 70s I was writing 1314 00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:27,150 articles about whether war okay they 1315 00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:30,329 were developing technologies to create 1316 00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:33,900 and to alter the weather patterns and 1317 00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:35,220 that was in the seventies so you can 1318 00:55:38,539 --> 00:55:37,020 imagine what they're capable of today 1319 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:38,549 how do you know that that's the obvious 1320 00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,650 question okay because it's there in the 1321 00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,720 scientific papers and it's there in the 1322 00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:44,880 defense journals in fact I've got an 1323 00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:46,859 article from US News and World Report 1324 00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,950 not exactly your most radical rag where 1325 00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:51,839 they're talking about how that they can 1326 00:55:57,140 --> 00:55:54,750 mitigate hurricanes okay they can use 1327 00:56:01,039 --> 00:55:57,150 space-based satellites in this Harper 1328 00:56:03,799 --> 00:56:01,049 way to bombard hurricanes and possibly 1329 00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:03,809 decrease their intensity and that they 1330 00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:06,359 can also heat up the water to on one 1331 00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:08,609 side of the other and guide the 1332 00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:12,569 hurricane away from you know big cities 1333 00:56:15,930 --> 00:56:15,150 and land masses where they don't want it 1334 00:56:17,790 --> 00:56:15,940 to go 1335 00:56:19,950 --> 00:56:17,800 and that got out because that sounds 1336 00:56:22,830 --> 00:56:19,960 like a very good and benign purpose for 1337 00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:22,840 using this technology but hey guys use 1338 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:25,180 your head if they can D intensify 1339 00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,010 hurricane and they bombarded and 1340 00:56:31,470 --> 00:56:29,440 intensified it if they got it away from 1341 00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:31,480 something thing got it into something 1342 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:33,670 well okay is that's explained Hurricane 1343 00:56:38,790 --> 00:56:36,010 Katrina it very well could be because I 1344 00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:38,800 was kind of amazed at Katrina which 1345 00:56:43,350 --> 00:56:41,680 seemed like it was going to miss New 1346 00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:43,360 Orleans and then all of a sudden cutting 1347 00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:45,730 a 90-degree turn slammed right into it I 1348 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:48,550 mean the beauty of this is this is 1349 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:51,490 technology that exists but is largely 1350 00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:54,610 unknown to the public and it's beautiful 1351 00:57:01,260 --> 00:56:57,670 plausible deniability arcane man that's 1352 00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:01,270 God's work we anything do that and yet I 1353 00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:03,250 report you to the scientific papers and 1354 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:06,310 to the articles that they've been 1355 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:08,050 working on this stuff for years and 1356 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:10,690 they've got it down and that same thing 1357 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:13,930 on 9/11 if you use technology such as 1358 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:16,930 Global Hawk which was largely unknown to 1359 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:19,570 the public at that time Global Hawk is 1360 00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:21,970 where they can electronically capture 1361 00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,060 the on-board computer of a high-flying 1362 00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,760 aircraft and can control it from the 1363 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:29,920 ground or from another aircraft they can 1364 00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:32,530 remote control it and send it anywhere 1365 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:35,500 that they want it to go now now we know 1366 00:57:39,810 --> 00:57:37,270 about this because now I'm even seeing 1367 00:57:42,180 --> 00:57:39,820 ads for the Air Force and Marines saying 1368 00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:42,190 hey come join the Air Force and you you 1369 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:44,110 know I saw these guys playing like video 1370 00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:45,850 games that the control somewhere in 1371 00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:47,710 there and they're sending those Global 1372 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:50,830 Hawk unmanned vehicles into Afghanistan 1373 00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:54,010 and Iraq they let our attack but on 9/11 1374 00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:56,620 nobody really knew about that technology 1375 00:58:01,110 --> 00:57:58,930 and so could see where that technology 1376 00:58:03,090 --> 00:58:01,120 could be used and then you could put on 1377 00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:03,100 any cover story you wanted to and nobody 1378 00:58:07,890 --> 00:58:05,470 could successfully rebut you because 1379 00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:07,900 they don't know the technology exists 1380 00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,550 oh is it again pretty crazy this is 1381 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:11,680 getting pretty crazy before a pretty 1382 00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:14,530 crazy but is it I'm telling you is not 1383 00:58:21,210 --> 00:58:16,990 theory fact the head of British Airways 1384 00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:21,220 in early 2001 said the day of hijacking 1385 00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:22,870 is over with because now we can 1386 00:58:28,050 --> 00:58:25,120 electronically capture the on-board 1387 00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:28,060 computer airliner and we can guide it to 1388 00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:29,660 the safe landing regardless 1389 00:58:35,319 --> 00:58:32,480 of what the hijackers or the flight crew 1390 00:58:38,020 --> 00:58:35,329 wants to do again this is not theory 1391 00:58:39,789 --> 00:58:38,030 these are facts it's just not known to 1392 00:58:41,710 --> 00:58:39,799 most people I believe that you mentioned 1393 00:58:44,109 --> 00:58:41,720 in the past in regards to the twin 1394 00:58:47,650 --> 00:58:44,119 towers one of the other buildings that 1395 00:58:49,569 --> 00:58:47,660 was untouched also came down you know 1396 00:58:51,339 --> 00:58:49,579 wasn't so even get into that which are 1397 00:58:54,099 --> 00:58:51,349 about seven World Trade Center I presume 1398 00:58:56,410 --> 00:58:54,109 basically break for the hour but before 1399 00:58:58,359 --> 00:58:56,420 we do that where can our listeners learn 1400 00:59:00,220 --> 00:58:58,369 more about the things that you do well 1401 00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:00,230 first off thing read my book which are 1402 00:59:06,970 --> 00:59:02,839 all offered on my website Jim marsh calm 1403 00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:06,980 that's Jay I am Mir RS calm or you go to 1404 00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:09,440 any bookstore go on Amazon captain Jim 1405 00:59:13,180 --> 00:59:11,390 Marrs you find the whole listing my 1406 00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:13,190 books interested in Kennedy 1407 00:59:17,470 --> 00:59:14,900 assassination that would be crossfire 1408 00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:17,480 the plot to kill Kennedy which was a 1409 00:59:22,779 --> 00:59:20,720 basis for the Oliver Stone movie JFK can 1410 00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:22,789 get stock go to rule by secrecy which 1411 00:59:27,069 --> 00:59:25,220 will give you the overview of the people 1412 00:59:29,319 --> 00:59:27,079 within secret societies that can be 1413 00:59:31,779 --> 00:59:29,329 traced all the way back to history then 1414 00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,789 you can go to the terror conspiracy 1415 00:59:36,490 --> 00:59:33,920 which tells you what happens on 9/11 and 1416 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:36,500 puts it into a context then you can move 1417 00:59:41,289 --> 00:59:38,930 on to the rise of the fourth reich which 1418 00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:41,299 shows you that we beat the Germans in 1419 00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:42,799 World War two but we didn't beat the 1420 00:59:46,329 --> 00:59:44,990 Nazis we brought them over here roll 1421 00:59:48,940 --> 00:59:46,339 them into our military industrial 1422 00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:48,950 complex and they've been slowly taken 1423 00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,190 over ever since and then I've got a new 1424 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:54,319 book coming out later this year that I 1425 00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:55,970 think will pick up from there we'll get 1426 00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:56,809 into that in a moment 1427 01:00:03,430 --> 00:59:58,490 we'll have more with Jim Marrs on the 1428 01:00:05,470 --> 01:00:03,440 other side of the power cast we want to 1429 01:00:07,690 --> 01:00:05,480 hear from you if you have a comment or 1430 01:00:11,710 --> 01:00:07,700 question about the podcast send it to 1431 01:00:14,349 --> 01:00:11,720 news at the podcast com that's news at 1432 01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,359 the pear cast calm and don't forget to 1433 01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:15,920 visit our forums where you can talk to 1434 01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:18,559 fellow listeners and Jean and David just 1435 01:00:23,710 --> 01:00:21,140 go to the Peres cast comm and click on 1436 01:00:32,650 --> 01:00:23,720 the forum links that's a forum links at 1437 01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:35,390 welcome back to the paragraphs with Jean 1438 01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,690 people have asked me by the way whether 1439 01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:45,920 I'm going to do voices while David isn't 1440 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:49,070 here and the answer is mmm you never 1441 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:51,890 know you never know what I might do 1442 01:00:56,020 --> 01:00:54,170 Frank Warren is our guest co-host we're 1443 01:00:58,540 --> 01:00:56,030 talking to Jim Mars the Czar of 1444 01:01:00,970 --> 01:00:58,550 conspiracy theorists and we started 1445 01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:00,980 about the so called 9/11 conspiracy 1446 01:01:05,890 --> 01:01:03,920 what about seven World Trade Center it 1447 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:05,900 wasn't shut down with a particle beam 1448 01:01:11,170 --> 01:01:08,810 was it well I don't know all I know is 1449 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:11,180 it wouldn't hit by aircraft and I only 1450 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:13,490 have a few Dussel Torrey fires in it and 1451 01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:17,510 yet at 525 on the afternoon 9/11 it just 1452 01:01:22,590 --> 01:01:19,310 collapsed into its own footprint just 1453 01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:22,600 straight down near freefall speed and 1454 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:26,000 barely damaging the Verizon building is 1455 01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:28,610 yes post office to either side of it and 1456 01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:32,470 so let's go to the official 9/11 1457 01:01:38,050 --> 01:01:35,870 Commission report and see what the how 1458 01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:38,060 they explained the collapse of building 1459 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:41,150 7 books why they didn't even mention it 1460 01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:43,850 how's that for an investigation saved 1461 01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:46,640 then even mention the collapse of this 1462 01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:49,150 third building at the World Trade Center 1463 01:01:56,140 --> 01:01:53,630 was a real good investigation woman and 1464 01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:56,150 later they come back and try to say well 1465 01:02:00,910 --> 01:01:58,730 okay we were still studying isn't well 1466 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:00,920 you know they had some fires and there's 1467 01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:02,690 no there's only a few fires but all of 1468 01:02:07,950 --> 01:02:04,760 those fires are all at very strategic 1469 01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:07,960 points and just have them melt major 1470 01:02:14,250 --> 01:02:10,900 girders and how the thing just fell down 1471 01:02:16,690 --> 01:02:14,260 even though there has never been a major 1472 01:02:19,570 --> 01:02:16,700 steel reinforced building that's 1473 01:02:22,540 --> 01:02:19,580 collapsed due to fire in history 1474 01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:22,550 including the Windsor Hotel in Spain 1475 01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:24,830 which burned out of control for more 1476 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:27,950 than two days and yet it was totally 1477 01:02:33,820 --> 01:02:30,530 gutted but it was still standing same 1478 01:02:36,940 --> 01:02:33,830 thing with a big fire in Beijing I think 1479 01:02:39,010 --> 01:02:36,950 it was our majors in Japan and such same 1480 01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:39,020 deal burned totally out of control but 1481 01:02:42,610 --> 01:02:40,190 didn't clap Oh 1482 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:42,620 devil's advocate on this one Jim what 1483 01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:44,810 would be the motive to get rid of that 1484 01:02:48,580 --> 01:02:45,380 building 1485 01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:48,590 well first off in house the offices of 1486 01:02:53,470 --> 01:02:51,230 the security Exchange Commission who 1487 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:53,480 again this is not theory this is what 1488 01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:54,250 they admit to 1489 01:03:01,710 --> 01:02:57,730 lost thousands of prosecution documents 1490 01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:01,720 on Enron and world.com oh how convenient 1491 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:04,750 and by the way I know this is not my 1492 01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:07,330 theory my name sure is a theory but I 1493 01:03:12,510 --> 01:03:09,910 will preface by saying I don't know this 1494 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:12,520 is absolute fact but I have heard it 1495 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:15,850 also had old security Exchange 1496 01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:18,610 Commission files in there to include the 1497 01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:21,310 prosecution of Prescott Bush during 1498 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:23,110 World War two for being nothing but a 1499 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:25,450 financial frontman for Hitler and the 1500 01:03:30,810 --> 01:03:27,850 Nazis he was prosecuted in November of 1501 01:03:32,610 --> 01:03:30,820 1942 by the federal government under the 1502 01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:32,620 trading with the enemy's acting stripped 1503 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:34,390 of his holdings and Union Banking 1504 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:37,930 Corporation and the Homburg America 1505 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:41,410 steamship line and find millions of 1506 01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:44,530 dollars and because they said he was 1507 01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:47,800 just handling Nazi money and they say 1508 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:50,590 that those documents may have been in 1509 01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:52,690 building 7 may have been we have no 1510 01:03:57,210 --> 01:03:54,940 evidence of this to it now I said before 1511 01:03:59,100 --> 01:03:57,220 that was a rumor but it's absolutely 1512 01:04:01,140 --> 01:03:59,110 true that the security Exchange 1513 01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:01,150 Commission has said that they lost 1514 01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:04,750 thousands of documents pertaining to the 1515 01:04:10,350 --> 01:04:08,230 scandals at world.com and Enron and 1516 01:04:13,260 --> 01:04:10,360 others and of course let's not forget 1517 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:13,270 that in the day or two following 9/11 1518 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:15,250 they even the mainstream media was 1519 01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:17,530 talking about the very suspicious put 1520 01:04:22,650 --> 01:04:19,840 options that were made on the United 1521 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:22,660 Airlines and American Airlines that was 1522 01:04:26,310 --> 01:04:24,370 going to make somebody a lot of money 1523 01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,320 because put options are you're betting 1524 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:28,480 that the stocks going to go down okay 1525 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:31,210 and so it's usually when there's a big 1526 01:04:37,590 --> 01:04:34,330 number of put options place that events 1527 01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:37,600 is foreknowledge of the events and they 1528 01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,340 said the FBI was going to check into 1529 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:41,440 that and every one see if I didn't track 1530 01:04:46,380 --> 01:04:44,530 back Osama bin Laden and then you never 1531 01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:46,390 heard another word about it did you you 1532 01:04:50,910 --> 01:04:48,910 know why because it did not write back 1533 01:04:53,340 --> 01:04:50,920 the Osama bin Laden tracked back to 1534 01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:53,350 individuals connected to our Central 1535 01:04:56,490 --> 01:04:54,880 Intelligence Agency 1536 01:04:58,680 --> 01:04:56,500 okay so we're saying here the Central 1537 01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,690 Intelligence Agency was part of this 1538 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:00,640 plot I didn't say they were part of the 1539 01:05:06,060 --> 01:05:03,010 plot I just said that people connected 1540 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:06,070 the CIA we're behind the suspicious put 1541 01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,810 options that showed they may 1542 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:10,000 he has had foreknowledge of what was 1543 01:05:12,930 --> 01:05:11,770 going to happen and then the trail goes 1544 01:05:14,790 --> 01:05:12,940 cold right 1545 01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:14,800 yeah well the trail goes dead because 1546 01:05:19,590 --> 01:05:16,870 they're told to quit following it hey 1547 01:05:22,410 --> 01:05:19,600 you know it's kind of like a guy told me 1548 01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:22,420 one time he found a 3006 shell casing on 1549 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:25,030 the roof of the dallas county Records 1550 01:05:29,310 --> 01:05:27,550 building overlooking Dealey Plaza it's 1551 01:05:31,740 --> 01:05:29,320 about ten years after the assassination 1552 01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:31,750 and it was heavily weathered it 1553 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:33,640 obviously laid up there for a good long 1554 01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:35,890 time and he told me he took it to the 1555 01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:38,950 FBI and they said well since we know Lee 1556 01:05:44,130 --> 01:05:41,470 Harvey Oswald used a six point five 1557 01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,140 millimeter moniker Kanno obviously this 1558 01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:45,520 has nothing to do with the assassination 1559 01:05:50,370 --> 01:05:47,950 when they just think on his hikes 1560 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:50,380 now that's the way to conduct an 1561 01:05:55,980 --> 01:05:53,770 investigation all right so we're never 1562 01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:55,990 going to get the answer are we nope not 1563 01:06:02,130 --> 01:05:58,480 as long as we look to the very 1564 01:06:02,670 --> 01:06:02,140 officialdom that probably was behind the 1565 01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:02,680 event 1566 01:06:07,770 --> 01:06:05,230 okay so right now I have a question that 1567 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:07,780 you know that comes to my mind here so 1568 01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:11,650 as we have new presidents taking over so 1569 01:06:16,110 --> 01:06:14,110 Obama takes over and he's promising 1570 01:06:17,550 --> 01:06:16,120 change you can believe in but a lot of 1571 01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:17,560 the stuff he's doing from a military 1572 01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:20,380 standpoint are just continuations of 1573 01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:23,440 what Bush did so somebody coming there 1574 01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,020 and sit him down and say mr. 1575 01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:28,720 president-elect this is the way things 1576 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:29,230 are 1577 01:06:37,020 --> 01:06:31,930 how's that change working out for you I 1578 01:06:38,910 --> 01:06:37,030 I really haven't seen any change I can 1579 01:06:42,780 --> 01:06:38,920 nail it down for you though let's go 1580 01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:42,790 back to the first Bush administration 89 1581 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:46,240 93 George Herbert Walker Bush every one 1582 01:06:52,020 --> 01:06:48,490 of his cabinet members with exception of 1583 01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:52,030 Dan Quayle and his buddy James Baker 1584 01:06:57,390 --> 01:06:55,150 were members of the secret society 1585 01:06:59,850 --> 01:06:57,400 Council on Foreign Relations that has 1586 01:07:03,150 --> 01:06:59,860 been running u.s. foreign policy since 1587 01:07:05,010 --> 01:07:03,160 before World War two but then we shifted 1588 01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:05,020 we went to the Democrats and we got the 1589 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:08,230 Clinton administration team 1993 to 2000 1590 01:07:12,450 --> 01:07:10,930 all cabinet members with exception of 1591 01:07:14,490 --> 01:07:12,460 the Secretary of Defense William Perry 1592 01:07:16,350 --> 01:07:14,500 were members of the Council on Foreign 1593 01:07:18,420 --> 01:07:16,360 Relations but that's all right because 1594 01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:18,430 then the George W Bush administration 1595 01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:20,980 went back got some more Republican 1596 01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:23,980 oops goodness cabinet Dick Cheney Colin 1597 01:07:29,570 --> 01:07:26,230 Powell Condoleezza Rice Rumsfeld Robert 1598 01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:29,580 Gates Elaine Chao Todd Whitlam hey all 1599 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:31,180 members of the Council on Foreign 1600 01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:34,570 Relations well but then we get Obama 1601 01:07:38,730 --> 01:07:37,390 with change we can believe in okay 1602 01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:38,740 whoops wait a minute 1603 01:07:44,370 --> 01:07:40,260 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton 1604 01:07:46,620 --> 01:07:44,380 builder birds Robert Gates holdover from 1605 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:46,630 the Bush administration Council on 1606 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:48,850 Foreign Relations Janet Napolitano Bill 1607 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:51,130 Richardson Susan Rice James Jones 1608 01:07:56,940 --> 01:07:53,890 Timothy Geithner or Summers Paul Vogler 1609 01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,950 oops all members of the Council on 1610 01:08:01,440 --> 01:07:58,720 Foreign Relations so I ask you guys 1611 01:08:03,930 --> 01:08:01,450 what's changed nothing the same 1612 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:03,940 financial oligarchy is running this 1613 01:08:08,430 --> 01:08:06,490 country okay so basically it's really 1614 01:08:10,020 --> 01:08:08,440 the domestic policy where things are 1615 01:08:13,050 --> 01:08:10,030 different well it's not even really 1616 01:08:16,190 --> 01:08:13,060 different there is her you know if Bush 1617 01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:16,200 had approved some of those horrendous 1618 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:19,089 bailout packages to the very bankers 1619 01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,380 that caused the problem in the first 1620 01:08:25,140 --> 01:08:22,239 place he probably would have been 1621 01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:25,150 pilloried but Obama does it and 1622 01:08:28,769 --> 01:08:26,950 everybody just kind of scratches their 1623 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:28,779 head and says gee I wonder why he's 1624 01:08:34,170 --> 01:08:30,850 doing that yeah but when I pushed it of 1625 01:08:36,150 --> 01:08:34,180 proof the balance on a bank when I was 1626 01:08:38,579 --> 01:08:36,160 approving the less yeah couple of my 1627 01:08:40,349 --> 01:08:38,589 jacks erm so in other words Obama is 1628 01:08:43,499 --> 01:08:40,359 just falling along in his footsteps 1629 01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:43,509 where's the change there's no change the 1630 01:08:49,050 --> 01:08:46,960 same moneyed wealthy elite that's been 1631 01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:49,060 running this country for decades is 1632 01:08:53,099 --> 01:08:50,799 still in charge all they've done is 1633 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:53,109 change hand puppets alright so let's 1634 01:08:56,190 --> 01:08:54,250 look at some of the other things that 1635 01:08:58,620 --> 01:08:56,200 haven't changed the UFO mystery is 1636 01:09:01,260 --> 01:08:58,630 considered a classic conspiracy of one 1637 01:09:03,539 --> 01:09:01,270 sort or another we mention Chrisman 1638 01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:03,549 because he is you know a figure who was 1639 01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:06,690 part of that Maury island case but also 1640 01:09:11,249 --> 01:09:09,460 apparently part or was rumored to be 1641 01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,259 part of the Kennedy assassination in 1642 01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:13,120 some way all right was it that Bannister 1643 01:09:18,660 --> 01:09:16,270 as was god Bannister who as an FBI agent 1644 01:09:20,610 --> 01:09:18,670 was intimately involved in the Maury 1645 01:09:23,190 --> 01:09:20,620 island case and then turned up in New 1646 01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:23,200 Orleans and was at the center of the 1647 01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:24,880 garrison 1648 01:09:30,959 --> 01:09:28,150 clay shot trial down there and then bad 1649 01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:30,969 quite suddenly after his mine kind of 1650 01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,260 came into it so now 1651 01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,120 on the in that fascinating that you got 1652 01:09:39,820 --> 01:09:38,000 these same guys with intelligence and 1653 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:39,830 law enforcement connections that are 1654 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:42,530 involved in early UFO cases and then end 1655 01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:43,850 up involved in the Kennedy assassination 1656 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:47,630 and what was that famous line in in the 1657 01:09:52,930 --> 01:09:50,570 stone movie where the eggs in enigma 1658 01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,940 wrapped up the neck that Sydney was 1659 01:09:57,870 --> 01:09:54,560 something like a mystery within an 1660 01:10:01,090 --> 01:09:57,880 enigma rest of a puzzle about how yeah 1661 01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,100 lemon is doing a half overdramatic iboga 1662 01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:03,440 it well Jim you know it was since we're 1663 01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:06,860 shifting to the UFO and nygma something 1664 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:09,650 that I learned in in preparing for this 1665 01:10:14,530 --> 01:10:11,930 interview then I think most of our 1666 01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,540 listeners probably were under the same 1667 01:10:21,220 --> 01:10:16,640 assumption I had always presumed that 1668 01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:21,230 you began this conspiratorial Trek and 1669 01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:24,710 then later UFOs beginning with the JFK 1670 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:26,600 assassination but it wasn't that way was 1671 01:10:35,140 --> 01:10:29,690 it no not really in fact I can prove it 1672 01:10:37,780 --> 01:10:35,150 too I can go back to 1957 I believe when 1673 01:10:41,890 --> 01:10:37,790 there was a UFO incident and level in 1674 01:10:45,790 --> 01:10:41,900 Texas and as a young guy I drew a 1675 01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:45,800 watercolor depicting that event based on 1676 01:10:50,230 --> 01:10:47,510 the news accounts at that time so that 1677 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:50,240 shows that I was aware interested paying 1678 01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:53,210 attentions for bag of 1957 and then 1679 01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:55,910 after my book alien agenda came out I 1680 01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:00,320 got a letter with a clipping in it from 1681 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:03,470 one of my classmates at the University 1682 01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:05,210 of North Texas where I always had a tour 1683 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:08,270 page editor of the school newspaper back 1684 01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:12,170 in I think I want to say 1965 and they 1685 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:14,300 sent me a copy of an editorial that I'd 1686 01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:17,690 written about that time 1965 talking 1687 01:11:21,790 --> 01:11:20,270 about UFOs and how that we didn't know 1688 01:11:23,710 --> 01:11:21,800 exactly what they were but we should 1689 01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:23,720 take them seriously and we should there 1690 01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,510 seem to be a real issue there and that 1691 01:11:31,450 --> 01:11:28,400 we needed to find out what was really 1692 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:31,460 going on so obviously I've been I've 1693 01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,170 been paying attention to that for 1694 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:35,120 decades long before I was publishing 1695 01:11:39,670 --> 01:11:37,130 books okay let's look at the climate 1696 01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:39,680 slightly more detail here what Jim are 1697 01:11:44,380 --> 01:11:42,830 the great conspiracies in the UFO field 1698 01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:44,390 is that what the government knows about 1699 01:11:48,839 --> 01:11:46,300 it yeah I think so there's my 1700 01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,849 massive amounts of UFO information that 1701 01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:50,800 the government is still keeping close to 1702 01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:54,130 his chest in fact this is probably one 1703 01:12:02,640 --> 01:11:57,840 of now I would say it's the greatest 1704 01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:02,650 conspiracy in history because if any of 1705 01:12:07,229 --> 01:12:04,920 the UFO cases turn out to be 1706 01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,239 extraterrestrial in nature then we're 1707 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:10,000 talking about you know contact with 1708 01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:13,210 non-human species which you know just 1709 01:12:18,089 --> 01:12:15,369 about makes every other event history 1710 01:12:19,859 --> 01:12:18,099 pale by comparison and yet they're 1711 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:19,869 keeping this from us 1712 01:12:24,260 --> 01:12:22,210 okay you know what do they know do they 1713 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:24,270 know that this appears to be 1714 01:12:27,930 --> 01:12:26,050 extraterrestrial if that's what it is 1715 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:27,940 and we're now always a higher percent 1716 01:12:33,149 --> 01:12:30,010 short here in the power cast where the 1717 01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:33,159 answers lie but is it there or would 1718 01:12:36,839 --> 01:12:34,300 they rather than I admit they know 1719 01:12:38,129 --> 01:12:36,849 nothing well it's a little bit of both I 1720 01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:38,139 think there are certain people within 1721 01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,540 the government who know a lot more than 1722 01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:42,880 they're letting on and I think they do 1723 01:12:47,819 --> 01:12:46,239 know that there is a very non-human 1724 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:47,829 equation to the whole thing 1725 01:12:52,169 --> 01:12:50,290 that actually goes way back and the 1726 01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:52,179 reason I think I know that they know is 1727 01:12:58,379 --> 01:12:55,420 that I'm often thought would it be great 1728 01:13:01,770 --> 01:12:58,389 because you know today anytime there's 1729 01:13:03,299 --> 01:13:01,780 ESO slap is they used to call that they 1730 01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:03,309 say well you know it's just an 1731 01:13:09,689 --> 01:13:06,239 unidentified test craft you know or some 1732 01:13:11,490 --> 01:13:09,699 experiment or you know whatever and so 1733 01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:11,500 I'll often Paul will be great if they 1734 01:13:18,629 --> 01:13:14,800 had a well-documented case of UFO 1735 01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:18,639 activity prior to satellites and modern 1736 01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:21,190 jets and test craft being in the air and 1737 01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:26,320 you know there is 1897 Aurora Texas okay 1738 01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:29,920 a silver cigar shaped object crashed and 1739 01:13:35,250 --> 01:13:33,369 there's a tremendous explosion and the 1740 01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:35,260 Dallas Morning News which is still in 1741 01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,510 publication carried a story it said the 1742 01:13:42,089 --> 01:13:39,760 pilot whose remains were badly 1743 01:13:44,850 --> 01:13:42,099 disfigured but enough was recovered to 1744 01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,860 show he was not an inhabitant of this 1745 01:13:48,899 --> 01:13:46,960 world you know what there's one thing 1746 01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:48,909 that worries me about that a lot of 1747 01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:51,489 people in the UFO field believe Aurora 1748 01:13:59,959 --> 01:13:57,420 was a hoax mm-hmm okay answer me this I 1749 01:14:02,089 --> 01:13:59,969 wasn't there some people think I want 1750 01:14:04,459 --> 01:14:02,099 I considered that quite seriously 1751 01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:04,469 because that's entirely possible at that 1752 01:14:09,379 --> 01:14:07,380 time there were no newspapers as we know 1753 01:14:11,569 --> 01:14:09,389 him today where you have stacks of paid 1754 01:14:13,100 --> 01:14:11,579 reporters what they did was it was 1755 01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:13,110 usually the local printer who would 1756 01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,329 print the newspaper and he was dependent 1757 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:17,280 on what they called correspondence or 1758 01:14:22,129 --> 01:14:20,130 stringers and that was people who lived 1759 01:14:25,339 --> 01:14:22,139 in all the various outlying towns and 1760 01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:25,349 villages and they would be designated as 1761 01:14:28,879 --> 01:14:27,090 a stringer and then they would send the 1762 01:14:31,489 --> 01:14:28,889 letter to the newspaper telling of all 1763 01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:31,499 the happenings in that town and they 1764 01:14:34,939 --> 01:14:33,030 would publish it in this paper and 1765 01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:34,949 that's how they got their story so it's 1766 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:36,630 entirely possible that one of these 1767 01:14:41,839 --> 01:14:38,610 stringers could have sent in a hoax 1768 01:14:44,060 --> 01:14:41,849 story but I speak here's where I change 1769 01:14:46,219 --> 01:14:44,070 my mind on that I finally got a hold of 1770 01:14:48,410 --> 01:14:46,229 the entire front page of the April 19th 1771 01:14:50,959 --> 01:14:48,420 1897 Dallas Morning News 1772 01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:50,969 there are 16 stories on that front page 1773 01:14:55,879 --> 01:14:53,699 and and they came from various locations 1774 01:14:59,540 --> 01:14:55,889 from southern Oklahoma as far south as 1775 01:15:01,399 --> 01:14:59,550 almost Austin Texas and every single one 1776 01:15:02,959 --> 01:15:01,409 of them was talking about the Silver 1777 01:15:05,359 --> 01:15:02,969 cigar-shaped object flying through the 1778 01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:05,369 skies in North Texas this was six years 1779 01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:08,219 before the Wright brothers flew it was 1780 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:18,570 [Music] 1781 01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,979 it's time to mend fences here on the 1782 01:15:25,330 --> 01:15:22,400 power cast and we've had our differences 1783 01:15:27,550 --> 01:15:25,340 with bill burns and UFO magazine but now 1784 01:15:29,649 --> 01:15:27,560 can't we just get along what do you 1785 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:29,659 think bill hi everybody this is bill 1786 01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:32,449 burns from the UFO magazine I glad to be 1787 01:15:36,729 --> 01:15:34,250 back with Jean Steinberg on the para 1788 01:15:40,030 --> 01:15:36,739 cast and here's a special offer for all 1789 01:15:42,669 --> 01:15:40,040 you Parekh assed bands normally we sell 1790 01:15:44,530 --> 01:15:42,679 five issues of the magazine for $19.99 1791 01:15:46,660 --> 01:15:44,540 guess what if you are a fan of the 1792 01:15:49,390 --> 01:15:46,670 podcast friend of gene Steinberg's you 1793 01:15:52,419 --> 01:15:49,400 my friend as well it's six issues of UFO 1794 01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:52,429 magazine for $19.99 look forward to 1795 01:15:56,350 --> 01:15:54,620 hearing from you and Jean thanks for 1796 01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:56,360 having me back so where do we get a hold 1797 01:16:07,209 --> 01:16:00,159 of your bill you can get a hold of me at 1798 01:16:08,290 --> 01:16:07,219 WWF om AG calm wUl mag calm I look 1799 01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:08,300 forward to hearing from you 1800 01:16:46,090 --> 01:16:44,110 we have Jim Marrs he's the Czar of 1801 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:46,100 conspiracy theorists and now he's going 1802 01:16:49,570 --> 01:16:48,050 to take that phrase that I coined he's 1803 01:16:50,740 --> 01:16:49,580 going to put up on his website and he's 1804 01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:50,750 going to go away with it he's not going 1805 01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:52,100 to give me a commission is that correct 1806 01:16:59,050 --> 01:16:57,610 I'll think about your chocolate hey I'll 1807 01:17:01,780 --> 01:16:59,060 take the chocolates I'll take good shots 1808 01:17:04,030 --> 01:17:01,790 they will save the chocolates for David 1809 01:17:07,060 --> 01:17:04,040 he like chocolates when David returns 1810 01:17:10,030 --> 01:17:07,070 okay all right so you feel I'll 1811 01:17:11,170 --> 01:17:10,040 basically it's not just one stringer 1812 01:17:14,290 --> 01:17:11,180 reporting this there were widespread 1813 01:17:16,090 --> 01:17:14,300 reports of this particular crash yes the 1814 01:17:20,170 --> 01:17:16,100 one I like is the one from Granbury 1815 01:17:23,410 --> 01:17:20,180 Texas which says about 9:30 o'clock last 1816 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:23,420 night while drilling the little rifles 1817 01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:26,930 wherever that was Newt Grissom a war 1818 01:17:31,780 --> 01:17:29,780 some young man being a populist could 1819 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:31,790 not stand the sight of the air machine 1820 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:33,770 so he ordered the company to open fire 1821 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:36,290 and they did and soon the whole town was 1822 01:17:40,150 --> 01:17:38,570 aroused hey that kind of answers the 1823 01:17:42,450 --> 01:17:40,160 question about why don't they just land 1824 01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:42,460 and say hey here we are how are you 1825 01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:45,410 Billy Bob would be shooting at him well 1826 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:48,110 in the 1896 and 97 let's don't forget 1827 01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:50,570 went back to a flap that was those four 1828 01:17:56,530 --> 01:17:53,150 flat piers yeah it was a great airship 1829 01:17:59,400 --> 01:17:56,540 mystery exactly and it started right 1830 01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,410 here in Sacramento true in November of 1831 01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:02,000 1896 and then I was in following the 1832 01:18:08,010 --> 01:18:05,570 auditors and the Canada into Canada and 1833 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:08,020 up around the Chicago area and by early 1834 01:18:14,260 --> 01:18:12,050 1897 is moving south down along the the 1835 01:18:16,180 --> 01:18:14,270 Great Plains and through the Midwest and 1836 01:18:19,420 --> 01:18:16,190 then here's what's interesting though 1837 01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:19,430 after the report of the crash in Aurora 1838 01:18:27,190 --> 01:18:23,510 and on April 17 1897 all those reports 1839 01:18:30,270 --> 01:18:27,200 stopped did it crash I think so and I'll 1840 01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:30,280 tell you why because two summers ago The 1841 01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:32,390 History Channel think it was a 1842 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:34,940 scientific team to Aurora and they 1843 01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:37,850 debunked Edie Booker's the debunker said 1844 01:18:41,260 --> 01:18:39,710 it was all hoax it never happens and 1845 01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:41,270 therefore there was never a grave in the 1846 01:18:45,010 --> 01:18:43,310 cemetery they sent where I showed them 1847 01:18:46,990 --> 01:18:45,020 exactly where the spot where the little 1848 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:47,000 grave was it was a short grave as a 1849 01:18:51,550 --> 01:18:49,730 child or a very short person they 1850 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:51,560 use ground-penetrating radar and they 1851 01:18:56,620 --> 01:18:53,570 found out that indeed there was a grave 1852 01:18:58,840 --> 01:18:56,630 there then they went to the site where 1853 01:19:01,150 --> 01:18:58,850 the crash occurred and more our 1854 01:19:03,490 --> 01:19:01,160 listeners Jim that was an episode of UFO 1855 01:19:05,050 --> 01:19:03,500 Hunters one of their better one time ok 1856 01:19:06,580 --> 01:19:05,060 well that's where people kind of grown 1857 01:19:08,650 --> 01:19:06,590 that's why I was going to ask but the 1858 01:19:10,180 --> 01:19:08,660 question at home before we go out before 1859 01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:10,190 we go on the question I would have to 1860 01:19:15,310 --> 01:19:12,800 ask that is ok what was buried they 1861 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:15,320 tried to dig it up no they can't because 1862 01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:18,410 back in the early seventies when I first 1863 01:19:23,410 --> 01:19:21,260 got involved in that story I running for 1864 01:19:24,820 --> 01:19:23,420 the florist or telegram and Bill case it 1865 01:19:27,870 --> 01:19:24,830 was the aviation writer for the Dallas 1866 01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:27,880 Times Herald which time both ran stories 1867 01:19:33,370 --> 01:19:30,710 saying that very thing were wild pigs in 1868 01:19:36,460 --> 01:19:33,380 the grave and then we know for sure and 1869 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:36,470 that prompted the cemetery Association 1870 01:19:40,510 --> 01:19:38,330 to hire a lawyer who threatened an 1871 01:19:42,330 --> 01:19:40,520 injunction against anyone who'd go in 1872 01:19:44,410 --> 01:19:42,340 there and try to dig up a grave so 1873 01:19:46,270 --> 01:19:44,420 officially that's never happened 1874 01:19:49,420 --> 01:19:46,280 although I'll tell you this little story 1875 01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:49,430 prior to the stories that came out in 1876 01:19:53,979 --> 01:19:52,310 the spring of 1973 I believe it was Bill 1877 01:19:55,630 --> 01:19:53,989 case called me and said come up to 1878 01:19:58,210 --> 01:19:55,640 Aurora I met him up there he had a metal 1879 01:20:00,490 --> 01:19:58,220 detector we ran it over the little grave 1880 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:00,500 and we found three very positive 1881 01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:02,330 readings one up near the headstones 1882 01:20:06,370 --> 01:20:03,920 which was still in existence at that 1883 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:06,380 time and two towards the center of the 1884 01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:08,690 grave and I remember that distinctly 1885 01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:10,670 because I was kidding with Bill said yes 1886 01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:13,310 probably his tricorder is not the thing 1887 01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:17,540 they use on Star Trek and then after the 1888 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:20,239 little flap came up and there was some 1889 01:20:24,729 --> 01:20:22,010 publicity and there were people driving 1890 01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:24,739 around driving up their side scene and 1891 01:20:28,990 --> 01:20:26,450 they actually put a police guard on the 1892 01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:29,000 cemetery for about two weeks and the 1893 01:20:33,700 --> 01:20:31,670 very night that they pulled the police 1894 01:20:36,700 --> 01:20:33,710 guard the little headstone went missing 1895 01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:36,710 has not been seen since about a month 1896 01:20:40,660 --> 01:20:38,510 after that I got a call from Bill Casey 1897 01:20:42,729 --> 01:20:40,670 and made me through our cemetery which I 1898 01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:42,739 did and he got out of his metal detector 1899 01:20:47,470 --> 01:20:45,440 we went over the grave and all of the 1900 01:20:50,260 --> 01:20:47,480 traces of metal in the grave were gone 1901 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:50,270 and I said whoa what happened because it 1902 01:20:54,490 --> 01:20:52,730 was quite obvious that the grave had not 1903 01:20:57,070 --> 01:20:54,500 been disinterred and you know the whole 1904 01:20:59,020 --> 01:20:57,080 thing had not been emptied and he said 1905 01:21:01,180 --> 01:20:59,030 look we got on our hands and knees and 1906 01:21:02,670 --> 01:21:01,190 there were little holes drills one up 1907 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:02,680 near where the headstones been 1908 01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:04,330 and two more to that and toward the 1909 01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:06,310 center of the grape somebody had gone in 1910 01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:07,270 there with some very sophisticated 1911 01:21:11,660 --> 01:21:09,910 equipment located the middle used a core 1912 01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:11,670 sampler or something similar and 1913 01:21:16,530 --> 01:21:13,510 extracted that metal out of the grave 1914 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:16,540 and I had to bill I said do you think 1915 01:21:20,430 --> 01:21:18,850 that UFO researchers did this and he 1916 01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:20,440 said no they're law-abiding people 1917 01:21:24,690 --> 01:21:22,000 they'd never do that I said well who you 1918 01:21:26,370 --> 01:21:24,700 think did that and he voiced the very 1919 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:26,380 same thought I had he said I think it 1920 01:21:31,230 --> 01:21:28,090 was the government now here's the 1921 01:21:32,970 --> 01:21:31,240 clincher on the Aurora story when the 1922 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:32,980 UFO Hunters did their special hether 1923 01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:35,890 scientific study of the crash site 1924 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:41,110 they found blobs of malted aluminum or 1925 01:21:45,260 --> 01:21:42,970 what appeared to be aluminum it was a 1926 01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:45,270 type of aluminum but it was not 1927 01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:48,550 comparable in metallic make up to the 1928 01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:52,800 current modern aluminum little balls of 1929 01:21:59,850 --> 01:21:57,280 melted aluminum embedded in trees and in 1930 01:22:02,460 --> 01:21:59,860 the rocks and as far as four and five 1931 01:22:04,860 --> 01:22:02,470 inches into the ground indicating there 1932 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:04,870 been a huge explosion at that area so 1933 01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:07,450 instead an extract some something out of 1934 01:22:12,030 --> 01:22:10,210 the well as well they found some bits of 1935 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:12,040 metal but I don't think any of that 1936 01:22:15,710 --> 01:22:13,930 metal out of that well has ever been 1937 01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:15,720 identified as anything other than 1938 01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:18,160 something that could have been in common 1939 01:22:23,340 --> 01:22:20,050 usage but but the notion that it was 1940 01:22:26,340 --> 01:22:23,350 embedded in the tree yes that indicates 1941 01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:26,350 a tremendous explosion and I remember 1942 01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:27,970 talking to Brawley Oates who owned the 1943 01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:29,440 property had owned the property since 1944 01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:32,170 1940 and he said there's never been an 1945 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:34,150 explosion there then so whatever caused 1946 01:22:38,910 --> 01:22:36,730 this explosion occurred before 1940 1947 01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:38,920 probably went back to 1897 1948 01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,110 now letter K another interesting little 1949 01:22:45,570 --> 01:22:43,120 kid bit I'm sure you guys are aware of 1950 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:45,580 the great Los Angeles air raid of 1951 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:48,850 February 1942 where they expended 1952 01:22:52,590 --> 01:22:50,650 thousands of rounds of anti-aircraft 1953 01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:52,600 ammunition that what they said was a 1954 01:22:57,690 --> 01:22:55,510 large glowing ball that just slowly 1955 01:23:02,550 --> 01:22:57,700 moved across the city 1956 01:23:05,010 --> 01:23:02,560 one of my pet cases yeah now the next 1957 01:23:06,930 --> 01:23:05,020 day as Stimpson the head of the War 1958 01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:06,940 Department said oh no nothing happened 1959 01:23:11,580 --> 01:23:09,520 there folks it was just war jitters okay 1960 01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:11,590 and of course that was right as world 1961 01:23:16,140 --> 01:23:13,330 war ii was cranking up and of course 1962 01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:16,150 that story got quickly forgotten 1963 01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:19,630 but I have a document signed by George 1964 01:23:24,030 --> 01:23:21,630 Marshall who was chief of staff to 1965 01:23:25,649 --> 01:23:24,040 Franklin Roosevelt in which they're 1966 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:25,659 discussing the recovery of 1967 01:23:32,430 --> 01:23:28,810 unconventional aircraft in the mountains 1968 01:23:35,130 --> 01:23:32,440 of San Bernardino and also off the coast 1969 01:23:36,959 --> 01:23:35,140 by the yes Navy and but what I found 1970 01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:36,969 really interesting was there's a 1971 01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:38,730 paragraph at the bottom of this document 1972 01:23:45,330 --> 01:23:42,070 that says I have ordered a search of all 1973 01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:45,340 War Department files regarding any 1974 01:23:51,870 --> 01:23:49,110 unconventional aircraft dating back to 1975 01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:51,880 1897 the very year of the Aurora 1976 01:23:56,330 --> 01:23:54,400 spaceship crashed and I think that that 1977 01:24:00,600 --> 01:23:56,340 indeed may have been one of the first 1978 01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:00,610 official UFO recoveries all right the 1979 01:24:03,959 --> 01:24:01,780 college you want me to talk about 1980 01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:03,969 conspiracy that puts Roosevelt in the 1981 01:24:09,870 --> 01:24:06,310 know that that changes everything quite 1982 01:24:12,090 --> 01:24:09,880 frankly yes Zaman is true and I think 1983 01:24:14,810 --> 01:24:12,100 that that's why that in the wake of the 1984 01:24:17,850 --> 01:24:14,820 Roswell thing in July of 1947 1985 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:17,860 immediately plans were printed effect so 1986 01:24:21,090 --> 01:24:19,570 that just two months later they were 1987 01:24:24,510 --> 01:24:21,100 able to ram through the National 1988 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:24,520 Security Act of 1947 which we all know 1989 01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:26,890 that that created the CIA and that it 1990 01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:28,540 changed the name of the War Department 1991 01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,550 through the Defense Department and 1992 01:24:33,930 --> 01:24:32,320 separated the Air Force from the army 1993 01:24:37,169 --> 01:24:33,940 but what most people don't pay attention 1994 01:24:40,110 --> 01:24:37,179 to guys is it also created the National 1995 01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:40,120 Security Council and of course by its 1996 01:24:45,540 --> 01:24:43,570 very name anything having to do not 1997 01:24:48,780 --> 01:24:45,550 secure t came under its purview and 1998 01:24:52,020 --> 01:24:48,790 that's where they bypassed Congress and 1999 01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,030 the media and the public everything 2000 01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:53,679 having to do with national security then 2001 01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:55,960 went to the National Security Council in 2002 01:25:02,640 --> 01:24:58,090 that document the majority of that is 2003 01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,650 still classified today right and also at 2004 01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:04,719 that time is when according to the 2005 01:25:10,770 --> 01:25:07,560 stories they put together the first 2006 01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:10,780 magic 12 or mj-12 2007 01:25:15,930 --> 01:25:13,060 all right now I should tell you here 2008 01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:15,940 that if we're getting into mj-12 we have 2009 01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,159 a lot of people who are credible on both 2010 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:20,560 sides of the issue of mj-12 some people 2011 01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:22,690 saying that the documents you know the 2012 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:24,550 ones I'm talking about those documents 2013 01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:27,130 are real other people saying they're 2014 01:25:31,810 --> 01:25:29,030 fixed so Stanton Friedman I'm sure you 2015 01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:31,820 Stan Stan Beeman says they're real Kevin 2016 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:33,890 Randle it was a perfectly serious 2017 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:36,890 researcher very highly qualified said 2018 01:25:41,290 --> 01:25:39,170 they're fake I gather you go on the side 2019 01:25:43,390 --> 01:25:41,300 of the believers hang on just one second 2020 01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:43,400 first off we can't lump them all 2021 01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:46,130 together in Stan's defense he has come 2022 01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:49,130 out and stated that several in his 2023 01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:51,890 opinion private documents are bogus you 2024 01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:53,510 dad you're throwing the baby out with 2025 01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:54,320 the bathwater 2026 01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:56,930 why is even going to the point of saying 2027 01:26:01,870 --> 01:25:59,360 are there any real ones even assuming 2028 01:26:03,490 --> 01:26:01,880 are on any wheel there's a problem there 2029 01:26:05,380 --> 01:26:03,500 is obviously something that happened 2030 01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:05,390 that's compelling enough to investigate 2031 01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:08,930 even if if you have 19 documents and one 2032 01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:10,490 is real that's fine 2033 01:26:15,580 --> 01:26:12,560 it is that's really something in fact 2034 01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:15,590 I'm sure you're aware of the som Mayo 2035 01:26:22,660 --> 01:26:18,800 the recovering extraterrestrials and 2036 01:26:25,390 --> 01:26:22,670 craft the handbook and of course Bob 2037 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:25,400 wood who for 43 years was head of 2038 01:26:30,610 --> 01:26:27,770 research and development for McDonnell 2039 01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:30,620 Douglas has done quite an investigation 2040 01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:33,410 of that and he found out that the type 2041 01:26:40,450 --> 01:26:37,280 on that som manual matched government 2042 01:26:42,490 --> 01:26:40,460 printing presses of the 1950s so there 2043 01:26:44,620 --> 01:26:42,500 is lots of evidence to suggest that 2044 01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:44,630 there is some reality and like you said 2045 01:26:48,190 --> 01:26:46,850 I think there are some phony I think I 2046 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:48,200 think some of them were probably 2047 01:26:53,650 --> 01:26:50,570 legitimate documents that had been 2048 01:26:56,380 --> 01:26:53,660 retyped okay and that of course creates 2049 01:26:58,900 --> 01:26:56,390 a problem because then allows someone 2050 01:27:00,670 --> 01:26:58,910 who's you know looking at fonts and flat 2051 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:00,680 faces and everything else to say oh I 2052 01:27:05,470 --> 01:27:03,050 can be real thank you a question though 2053 01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,480 where do I stand on it well some people 2054 01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:08,000 believe that they're all legitimate and 2055 01:27:13,210 --> 01:27:09,410 some people believe that they're all 2056 01:27:18,340 --> 01:27:13,220 fraudulent and I stand with the people 2057 01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:18,350 which people say I could be a politician 2058 01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:19,250 too 2059 01:27:23,530 --> 01:27:21,410 I know then but then how do you know a 2060 01:27:25,630 --> 01:27:23,540 politician is lying he opens his mouth a 2061 01:27:28,990 --> 01:27:25,640 shield that's right and his lips are 2062 01:27:30,610 --> 01:27:29,000 moving one from us about to let 2063 01:27:32,350 --> 01:27:30,620 smoothing you know if a moonlight is a 2064 01:27:33,730 --> 01:27:32,360 ventriloquist well let me catch 2065 01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,740 something you know when I was 2066 01:27:39,220 --> 01:27:36,080 researching form our lives the Fourth 2067 01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:39,230 Reich and of course a lot of the Nazis 2068 01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:40,870 that came over here 2069 01:27:45,690 --> 01:27:42,910 were rolled into our space program Virna 2070 01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:45,700 von braun dornberger these guys big 2071 01:27:53,820 --> 01:27:49,210 decorated Nazis he then became leading 2072 01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:53,830 luminaries in our space program and it's 2073 01:27:59,490 --> 01:27:56,650 amazing that a lot of that stuff was 2074 01:28:01,230 --> 01:27:59,500 going on but what I begin to find out in 2075 01:28:04,290 --> 01:28:01,240 researching I kept coming across these 2076 01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:04,300 names as the same names that were on the 2077 01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:06,340 original Eisenhower briefing document as 2078 01:28:11,370 --> 01:28:09,910 being the original members of mj-12 now 2079 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:11,380 with the exception of about four 2080 01:28:15,870 --> 01:28:13,810 military guys and those are interesting 2081 01:28:18,450 --> 01:28:15,880 because one was the head of the White 2082 01:28:19,710 --> 01:28:18,460 Sands proving ground who would have had 2083 01:28:21,930 --> 01:28:19,720 to have knowledge of what really 2084 01:28:24,300 --> 01:28:21,940 happened at Roswell another was the base 2085 01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:24,310 commander at Fort Bliss who was in 2086 01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:26,530 charge of the Nazi rocket scientists so 2087 01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:28,210 he probably had a good idea what was 2088 01:28:32,910 --> 01:28:30,520 really going on but with the exception 2089 01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:32,920 of these military belinelli I was from 2090 01:28:37,290 --> 01:28:34,620 wright-patterson which by all accounts 2091 01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:37,300 the wreckage and bodies may have been 2092 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:39,370 taken - with the exception of these 2093 01:28:44,910 --> 01:28:41,410 military guys all of whom had some 2094 01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:44,920 connection to Roswell the all the rest 2095 01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:47,110 of them over bushed Bronk and all the 2096 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:50,050 rest of them they all had ties to Wall 2097 01:28:55,890 --> 01:28:52,690 Street and two major financial and 2098 01:28:59,400 --> 01:28:55,900 industrial institutions which is exactly 2099 01:29:06,810 --> 01:28:59,410 what you would think would be if indeed 2100 01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:09,760 hi this is a tomorrow from name G we're 2101 01:29:13,150 --> 01:29:11,600 a domain name and web hosting company 2102 01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:13,160 and we really care about our customers 2103 01:29:17,890 --> 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the specifics out of it all together you 2132 01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:23,150 know first off we know that the 2133 01:30:26,710 --> 01:30:26,210 government investigated UFOs for over 20 2134 01:30:29,380 --> 01:30:26,720 years 2135 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:29,390 we know that they covered things up and 2136 01:30:34,660 --> 01:30:32,090 if we just go by the mechanics of how 2137 01:30:37,630 --> 01:30:34,670 our government works it stands to reason 2138 01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:37,640 because we have examples of this that 2139 01:30:43,390 --> 01:30:40,400 they put groups of people together and 2140 01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:43,400 put in obviously the more valuable the 2141 01:30:47,050 --> 01:30:45,650 the subject matter the the bigger the 2142 01:30:49,420 --> 01:30:47,060 names that are going to be involved in 2143 01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:49,430 it and if you get Roosevelt in the know 2144 01:30:53,470 --> 01:30:51,290 and then you get all of the the 2145 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:53,480 scientists that were merged together 2146 01:30:58,600 --> 01:30:55,610 during the Second World War it just 2147 01:31:02,620 --> 01:30:58,610 stands to reason that there was such a 2148 01:31:05,140 --> 01:31:02,630 group involved in investigating UFOs now 2149 01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,150 if you set aside the the names that 2150 01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:07,280 we're familiar with with the mj-12 group 2151 01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:11,360 we know that in the summer the beginning 2152 01:31:18,020 --> 01:31:14,930 of 1948 the biggest and brightest minds 2153 01:31:20,419 --> 01:31:18,030 were sitting in Los Alamos and they 2154 01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:20,429 were tasked to investigate the UFO 2155 01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:23,130 phenomenon and in fact the documents 2156 01:31:28,580 --> 01:31:25,650 that say so or we have them posted at 2157 01:31:30,350 --> 01:31:28,590 the UFO Chronicles so and these were 2158 01:31:33,470 --> 01:31:30,360 some of the best and brightest minds in 2159 01:31:35,919 --> 01:31:33,480 this country meaning in the world at the 2160 01:31:39,770 --> 01:31:35,929 time and the better part of those 2161 01:31:41,870 --> 01:31:39,780 fellows and scientists became were soon 2162 01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:41,880 to become Nobel laureates in their 2163 01:31:47,689 --> 01:31:43,800 specific fields and then half of them 2164 01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:47,699 were were physicists so that group we 2165 01:31:51,799 --> 01:31:49,199 can prove without a shadow of a doubt 2166 01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:51,809 were tasked to investigate UFOs so it 2167 01:31:56,209 --> 01:31:54,210 just stands to reason if not them or the 2168 01:31:58,189 --> 01:31:56,219 other names and I'm not going to argue 2169 01:32:00,859 --> 01:31:58,199 the point if they were or were not 2170 01:32:02,990 --> 01:32:00,869 that's how we did business back then 2171 01:32:04,930 --> 01:32:03,000 that's how we do business today amount 2172 01:32:07,549 --> 01:32:04,940 added I mean just use your common sense 2173 01:32:09,379 --> 01:32:07,559 why would they take our best and 2174 01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:09,389 brightest minds and particularly people 2175 01:32:15,379 --> 01:32:12,050 very very knowledgeable in physics and 2176 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:15,389 assign them to investigate UFOs if they 2177 01:32:19,819 --> 01:32:17,610 truly noon believe that there's no such 2178 01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:19,829 thing or fatigue you know represent just 2179 01:32:26,419 --> 01:32:23,489 some hoax or some test craft not amazing 2180 01:32:30,049 --> 01:32:26,429 yeah precisely no I can tell you about 2181 01:32:30,620 --> 01:32:30,059 the others for example at Rosco Helen 2182 01:32:33,529 --> 01:32:30,630 Cotter 2183 01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:33,539 he was the first CIA director and he 2184 01:32:38,419 --> 01:32:35,730 later joined that cap and stated that 2185 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:38,429 UFOs were real but the object of quote 2186 01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:41,610 official secrecy and ridicule and he got 2187 01:32:47,629 --> 01:32:44,719 admirals sours the first director of CIA 2188 01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:47,639 and he got the military guys fight at 2189 01:32:52,879 --> 01:32:50,760 Vandenberg okay who is the guy who 2190 01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:52,889 ordered the destruction of projects and 2191 01:32:59,089 --> 01:32:55,320 which is one of the first serious 2192 01:33:01,490 --> 01:32:59,099 studies on UFOs and then you had General 2193 01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:01,500 Robert Montague his base commander fort 2194 01:33:05,089 --> 01:33:03,090 bliss I've already mentioned that he was 2195 01:33:07,850 --> 01:33:05,099 in control of all the paperclip Nazi 2196 01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:07,860 scientists but his responsibilities 2197 01:33:11,810 --> 01:33:09,840 included security at White Sands proving 2198 01:33:13,899 --> 01:33:11,820 ground so he had to know what was going 2199 01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:13,909 on then you got a general Nathan twining 2200 01:33:18,529 --> 01:33:16,800 commander the air material command at 2201 01:33:20,270 --> 01:33:18,539 wright-patterson who he had to know 2202 01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:20,280 what's going on because you know they 2203 01:33:25,549 --> 01:33:22,320 had to fly that stuff with Matt's 2204 01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:25,559 aircraft up to wright-patterson and he's 2205 01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:28,500 the one in the 1945 memo they just now 2206 01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:30,510 be been made public and is totally 2207 01:33:33,740 --> 01:33:31,500 legitimate 2208 01:33:36,770 --> 01:33:33,750 says quote the phenomenon is I was 2209 01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:36,780 reported something real not visionary or 2210 01:33:42,740 --> 01:33:40,110 fictitious and then you go to the other 2211 01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:42,750 members like dr. Vannevar Bush who was 2212 01:33:46,940 --> 01:33:44,760 very close to Averell Harriman of course 2213 01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:46,950 and he had received research grants from 2214 01:33:50,750 --> 01:33:49,170 the Rockefeller Foundation he was also 2215 01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:50,760 on the board of directors of Merck 2216 01:33:55,070 --> 01:33:52,920 pharmaceuticals he got dr. death with 2217 01:33:58,010 --> 01:33:55,080 brock president little rockefeller 2218 01:33:59,630 --> 01:33:58,020 institute for medical research he was on 2219 01:34:02,780 --> 01:33:59,640 the scientific advisory committee at 2220 01:34:05,900 --> 01:34:02,790 Brookhaven and along with dr. Edward 2221 01:34:09,890 --> 01:34:05,910 Condon who of course we know because of 2222 01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:09,900 his debunking efforts and then you got 2223 01:34:16,670 --> 01:34:14,310 dr. Donald Menzel who was a consistently 2224 01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:16,680 debunk to UFOs and yet was a covert 2225 01:34:21,740 --> 01:34:19,710 assistant to the CIA and NSA all right 2226 01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:21,750 now dr. Menza let's mention something 2227 01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:23,970 here because somebody is a covert 2228 01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:25,890 operative during world war ii and lots 2229 01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,840 of people were I mean people in show 2230 01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:29,280 business work over eight operatives 2231 01:34:33,770 --> 01:34:31,440 mm-hmm does that necessarily mean that 2232 01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:33,780 he did something in civilian life he was 2233 01:34:38,810 --> 01:34:36,570 put up there to debunk UFOs a put-up job 2234 01:34:40,850 --> 01:34:38,820 well you know how do you prove some like 2235 01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:40,860 that you'd have to prove what was his 2236 01:34:44,930 --> 01:34:43,020 motivations were but he was a life long 2237 01:34:48,230 --> 01:34:44,940 big bunker and yet he was at the heart 2238 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:48,240 of the institutions in these people who 2239 01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:50,970 obviously took ufos questions seriously 2240 01:34:56,180 --> 01:34:53,580 well and additionally I believe stand 2241 01:34:58,220 --> 01:34:56,190 connected him to the NSA pulled out 2242 01:35:00,620 --> 01:34:58,230 warts ooh yeah and so once you're 2243 01:35:02,210 --> 01:35:00,630 connected to intelligence like that then 2244 01:35:03,890 --> 01:35:02,220 you have to take with large grain of 2245 01:35:06,230 --> 01:35:03,900 salt anything they were doing there same 2246 01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:06,240 because you never knew whether that was 2247 01:35:09,020 --> 01:35:07,710 coming from the heart or whether they 2248 01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:09,030 were ordered to do that 2249 01:35:13,820 --> 01:35:11,360 he's got dr. Laurie Berkner he's a 2250 01:35:16,010 --> 01:35:13,830 subordinate to bend over Bush members of 2251 01:35:19,550 --> 01:35:16,020 Robson panel he was taught in all the 2252 01:35:21,740 --> 01:35:19,560 time and he was president of associated 2253 01:35:24,410 --> 01:35:21,750 universities funded by Brookhaven 2254 01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:24,420 National Lab in others he got dr. Gordon 2255 01:35:29,180 --> 01:35:26,940 gray hair to the reynolds tobacco 2256 01:35:32,420 --> 01:35:29,190 fortune and a memory Council on Foreign 2257 01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:32,430 Relations and his chief consultant on 2258 01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:34,530 the psychological Strategy Board was 2259 01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:37,410 none other than Henry Kissinger so you 2260 01:35:41,450 --> 01:35:39,570 see the caliber and you see the level 2261 01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:41,460 for these guys were operating on and 2262 01:35:44,500 --> 01:35:43,800 again they wouldn't have been wasting 2263 01:35:47,410 --> 01:35:44,510 the time on 2264 01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:47,420 athos if they truly knew that there was 2265 01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:50,090 no such thing this is to me smacks of 2266 01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:52,880 cover-up and just to put the icing on 2267 01:35:58,060 --> 01:35:54,650 the cake the scientists that I had 2268 01:36:01,470 --> 01:35:58,070 referred to earlier were sitting in Los 2269 01:36:04,660 --> 01:36:01,480 Alamos scientific laboratory February 16 2270 01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:04,670 1949 and some of those names included 2271 01:36:11,470 --> 01:36:07,610 dr. Bradberry Holloway Hoyt Manley 2272 01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:11,480 Raines and dr. Edward Teller and Lincoln 2273 01:36:16,660 --> 01:36:14,000 La Paz was also also attended that 2274 01:36:20,830 --> 01:36:16,670 meeting and this was mandatory they were 2275 01:36:23,620 --> 01:36:20,840 tasked to look into the aerial phenomena 2276 01:36:26,649 --> 01:36:23,630 as this document is labeled and by the 2277 01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:26,659 way it's labeled secret right let me 2278 01:36:31,299 --> 01:36:29,449 talk to you from Lyndon Johnson as a 2279 01:36:35,020 --> 01:36:31,309 senator speaking to the Senate 2280 01:36:38,020 --> 01:36:35,030 Democratic caucus he says quote control 2281 01:36:41,379 --> 01:36:38,030 of space means control of the world from 2282 01:36:42,970 --> 01:36:41,389 space the Masters of infinity would have 2283 01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:42,980 the power to control the Earth's weather 2284 01:36:47,919 --> 01:36:45,679 to cause drought and flood to change the 2285 01:36:49,839 --> 01:36:47,929 tides raise the level of the sea to 2286 01:36:52,359 --> 01:36:49,849 divert the Gulf Stream change the 2287 01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:52,369 climate to frigid this is the ultimate 2288 01:36:57,009 --> 01:36:54,530 position the position of total control 2289 01:37:02,589 --> 01:36:57,019 over the earth to last somewhere in 2290 01:37:04,419 --> 01:37:02,599 outer space and he said this in 1958 so 2291 01:37:06,729 --> 01:37:04,429 it really makes you wonder you know 2292 01:37:08,740 --> 01:37:06,739 again what did they know and what were 2293 01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:08,750 they working on control of weather 2294 01:37:13,660 --> 01:37:10,760 control those tides controlled the 2295 01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:13,670 tsunamis controller hurricane hello and 2296 01:37:19,299 --> 01:37:15,260 I would really like to know what he 2297 01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:19,309 meant by the Masters of infinity sounds 2298 01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:22,639 like the secret government because yes 2299 01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:28,130 is the new band yeah that's why I think 2300 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:30,650 a new oral order is actually just a 2301 01:37:34,810 --> 01:37:33,650 resurgence of the old world order we 2302 01:37:36,459 --> 01:37:34,820 haven't gone back to the history of the 2303 01:37:38,350 --> 01:37:36,469 UFO field but let's kind of take it 2304 01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,360 further up the line here okay in 2305 01:37:43,029 --> 01:37:40,639 connection with the recovery alleged 2306 01:37:46,029 --> 01:37:43,039 recovery of UFO technology we have 2307 01:37:47,410 --> 01:37:46,039 Roswell we might have Aztec you know we 2308 01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:47,420 had a discussion last week on that 2309 01:37:51,459 --> 01:37:49,489 technique Mexico so maybe they recovered 2310 01:37:55,209 --> 01:37:51,469 it there okay having recovered this 2311 01:37:56,979 --> 01:37:55,219 stuff in 1947 1948 do we have a damn 2312 01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:56,989 clue as to what it's all about could we 2313 01:38:00,040 --> 01:37:58,010 even 2314 01:38:02,590 --> 01:38:00,050 reverse-engineer any of this stuff well 2315 01:38:04,510 --> 01:38:02,600 of course dr. Edgar Mitchell the sixth 2316 01:38:06,930 --> 01:38:04,520 man Lionel the man has stated publicly 2317 01:38:09,550 --> 01:38:06,940 that a lot of our modern scientific 2318 01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:09,560 breakthroughs has been based on the back 2319 01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:12,050 engineering of UFO technology what else 2320 01:38:17,290 --> 01:38:14,270 do you need really amazing and the other 2321 01:38:19,570 --> 01:38:17,300 story that amazes me is the story of the 2322 01:38:24,010 --> 01:38:19,580 giant satellites that I stumble across 2323 01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:24,020 while researching my book alien agenda 2324 01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:26,810 and that was and I think La Paz was 2325 01:38:34,930 --> 01:38:30,410 mixed up in this they found in this was 2326 01:38:38,140 --> 01:38:34,940 like 1956 prior to the launching of 2327 01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:38,150 Sputnik we find that in fact here the 2328 01:38:45,370 --> 01:38:42,410 New York Times in October 1954 says a 2329 01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:45,380 second moon oh it was Clyde Tombaugh 2330 01:38:49,180 --> 01:38:47,930 discovered planet Pluto said to be 2331 01:38:51,130 --> 01:38:49,190 searching for moonlets 2332 01:38:53,020 --> 01:38:51,140 they think that a moonlit could be 2333 01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:53,030 nothing more than the meteor sized 2334 01:38:59,979 --> 01:38:56,570 rocket via regular form they discovered 2335 01:39:02,710 --> 01:38:59,989 and reported on at the time briefly that 2336 01:39:04,810 --> 01:39:02,720 they found two giant satellites orbiting 2337 01:39:07,420 --> 01:39:04,820 the Earth at fifteen sixteen hundred 2338 01:39:10,030 --> 01:39:07,430 miles an hour about 1,800 miles up both 2339 01:39:12,460 --> 01:39:10,040 of them near the equator and Tom ball 2340 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:12,470 came on I had I found a clipping in an 2341 01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:15,050 old Newsweek magazine at the time where 2342 01:39:19,450 --> 01:39:17,450 they were asking amateur astronomers to 2343 01:39:21,490 --> 01:39:19,460 be on the lookout and to look southward 2344 01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:21,500 to see if they could get a look at these 2345 01:39:25,630 --> 01:39:23,930 satellites and that then other 2346 01:39:28,570 --> 01:39:25,640 scientists were saying that we might use 2347 01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:28,580 these satellites as stepping stones to 2348 01:39:30,820 --> 01:39:29,210 the moon 2349 01:39:33,550 --> 01:39:30,830 in other words launch a rocket land on 2350 01:39:34,990 --> 01:39:33,560 one satellite and then launch off land 2351 01:39:37,150 --> 01:39:35,000 on the other and then you know you're 2352 01:39:38,410 --> 01:39:37,160 almost in outer space and from there you 2353 01:39:41,380 --> 01:39:38,420 could go ahead and launch toward the 2354 01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:41,390 moon without having to use up tons of 2355 01:39:45,460 --> 01:39:42,770 fuel trying to get through the Earth's 2356 01:39:49,210 --> 01:39:45,470 atmosphere and then all of a sudden then 2357 01:39:51,190 --> 01:39:49,220 went away and nobody today talks about 2358 01:39:53,979 --> 01:39:51,200 these giant satellites where does it 2359 01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:53,989 come from and where do they go amazing 2360 01:39:58,630 --> 01:39:56,480 story okay but we're still looking here 2361 01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:58,640 about the reverse engineering is that 2362 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:01,760 you're saying an evidentiary piece of 2363 01:40:08,050 --> 01:40:05,290 information about some sort of earth 2364 01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:08,060 developed satellite system based on 2365 01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:10,489 alien technology or in a long now I 2366 01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:11,090 think 2367 01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:15,890 have that technology now that was a 2368 01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:18,130 second offense acidity giant satellites 2369 01:40:22,900 --> 01:40:21,170 that kind of came in with I think that's 2370 01:40:26,850 --> 01:40:22,910 evidence of somebody out there other 2371 01:40:29,950 --> 01:40:26,860 than us no I think it took some time to 2372 01:40:33,730 --> 01:40:29,960 back engineer to understand and to 2373 01:40:35,140 --> 01:40:33,740 replicate ESO technology but I think 2374 01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:35,150 it's obvious some of the things we got 2375 01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:38,530 from that night vision fiber optics 2376 01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:41,810 computer miniaturization fabrics that 2377 01:40:46,690 --> 01:40:43,760 yeah but you're basically repeating what 2378 01:40:48,430 --> 01:40:46,700 so Chris wrote the book eparchy and 2379 01:40:50,380 --> 01:40:48,440 here's the thing here's that information 2380 01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:50,390 so write it out Jim here's the thing 2381 01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:52,010 makes me skeptical about some of this 2382 01:40:57,010 --> 01:41:02,020 [Music] 2383 01:41:07,970 --> 01:41:05,419 for 58 years faith has provided true 2384 01:41:10,339 --> 01:41:07,980 reports of a strange and unknown fate 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2399 01:42:00,859 --> 01:41:59,070 next we have jim marrs conspiracy 2400 01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:00,869 theorist extraordinaire we're covering 2401 01:42:05,330 --> 01:42:03,360 now the UFO mystery we start earlier 2402 01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:05,340 with 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination 2403 01:42:10,220 --> 01:42:07,770 which could really go to a lot of 2404 01:42:12,379 --> 01:42:10,230 subjects but we're focusing on UFOs just 2405 01:42:15,410 --> 01:42:12,389 now okay David the Edna and I were 2406 01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:15,420 speculating about how our technology 2407 01:42:23,209 --> 01:42:17,489 would look fifty or hundred years ago so 2408 01:42:26,209 --> 01:42:23,219 say in 1910 we sent back an iPhone okay 2409 01:42:28,459 --> 01:42:26,219 listen back an iPhone to 1910 and we 2410 01:42:30,859 --> 01:42:28,469 walk over to one of their it's colored 2411 01:42:32,839 --> 01:42:30,869 pictures on it right but the battery is 2412 01:42:34,669 --> 01:42:32,849 going to fade out you know on a few 2413 01:42:36,649 --> 01:42:34,679 hours so maybe I did the battery is 2414 01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:36,659 fully charged but once the battery fades 2415 01:42:40,879 --> 01:42:39,030 out you know yes I suppose you could 2416 01:42:42,740 --> 01:42:40,889 reverse engineer a way to recharge it 2417 01:42:44,780 --> 01:42:42,750 but where do you get your files is no 2418 01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:44,790 internet it feels there as well how do 2419 01:42:48,500 --> 01:42:46,560 you figure the darn thing out then 2420 01:42:50,060 --> 01:42:48,510 you've hit a bomb a very very pertinent 2421 01:42:52,220 --> 01:42:50,070 point and all that low she's just 2422 01:42:55,220 --> 01:42:52,230 another analogy and let's say you're not 2423 01:42:59,209 --> 01:42:55,230 going at a machine and we go back to go 2424 01:43:01,399 --> 01:42:59,219 just year 1900 okay and we know about 2425 01:43:06,050 --> 01:43:01,409 modern cars and we know how there were 2426 01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:06,060 can we build a modern car no because we 2427 01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:08,340 can he build a spark plug there were the 2428 01:43:13,459 --> 01:43:11,010 infrastructure for making that kind of 2429 01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:13,469 technology was not in place that's what 2430 01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:13,730 you're 2431 01:43:18,370 --> 01:43:15,920 talk about and it's absolutely true and 2432 01:43:22,210 --> 01:43:18,380 that's why it took a long time for us to 2433 01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:22,220 utilize yo so back engineered technology 2434 01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:24,080 because in lots of instances the 2435 01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:27,050 infrastructure for even megasuck making 2436 01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:29,600 the basic components was not there but 2437 01:43:34,180 --> 01:43:31,550 hey we're moving right along we're 2438 01:43:36,729 --> 01:43:34,190 making headway because if you go back 2439 01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:36,739 and really stop and think about it say 2440 01:43:41,740 --> 01:43:38,570 between the Year about the time of 2441 01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:41,750 Christ 2,000 years ago and then up to 2442 01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:43,930 about a thousand years ago the 2443 01:43:48,820 --> 01:43:47,090 technology on earth barely evolved it 2444 01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:48,830 just kind of moved for that a little 2445 01:43:53,770 --> 01:43:51,050 better steel in the head and when they 2446 01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:53,780 had the Creoles you know and then from 2447 01:43:58,990 --> 01:43:56,239 next thousand years up to the modern era 2448 01:44:03,190 --> 01:43:59,000 it improved again but somewhat slowly 2449 01:44:06,490 --> 01:44:03,200 and then from 1900 to about 1950 the 2450 01:44:08,860 --> 01:44:06,500 general technology in the world the 2451 01:44:11,380 --> 01:44:08,870 knowledge about that it kind of doubles 2452 01:44:14,170 --> 01:44:11,390 okay because of the rapid communication 2453 01:44:16,990 --> 01:44:14,180 and the printing press and the 2454 01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,000 Telegraph's and typewriters and so you 2455 01:44:22,750 --> 01:44:18,800 know we're able to communicate move will 2456 01:44:25,870 --> 01:44:22,760 faster Bush from 1950 just in 1965 it 2457 01:44:29,229 --> 01:44:25,880 double again from 1965 to 1970 a double 2458 01:44:31,380 --> 01:44:29,239 again I mean I could show my age but 2459 01:44:34,750 --> 01:44:31,390 when I was a kid there was no television 2460 01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,760 and there was no air conditioning says 2461 01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:36,560 here you were born in 1943 2462 01:44:42,670 --> 01:44:39,650 so in 1943 we didn't have television it 2463 01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:42,680 didn't involve every member of the 2464 01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:45,170 family it was still in testing but we 2465 01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:47,330 had television it basically didn't come 2466 01:44:51,220 --> 01:44:49,489 about in any degree in terms of mass 2467 01:44:54,490 --> 01:44:51,230 production until the late 40s and early 2468 01:44:56,530 --> 01:44:54,500 50s that's right that's right but now I 2469 01:44:58,600 --> 01:44:56,540 mentioned though and that television was 2470 01:45:01,120 --> 01:44:58,610 not unheard of they'd been experimenting 2471 01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:01,130 with television since the 1920s in fact 2472 01:45:07,630 --> 01:45:04,450 during the Berlin Olympics of 1936 2473 01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:07,640 hundreds of thousands of Germans would 2474 01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:10,730 gather at dozens of locations around 2475 01:45:17,050 --> 01:45:13,850 Berlin and they watched the Berlin 2476 01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:17,060 Olympics on television okay so they had 2477 01:45:21,130 --> 01:45:19,370 television well and that was is that we 2478 01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:21,140 didn't have it the public didn't have it 2479 01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:23,520 I don't think we got in my day 2480 01:45:27,170 --> 01:45:25,890 ed was you know he just sawmill class he 2481 01:45:30,730 --> 01:45:27,180 had a little bit of money his credit was 2482 01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:30,740 good and we didn't have a TV tole 2483 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:33,450 1953-54 or something like that I think 2484 01:45:37,130 --> 01:45:34,650 that's pretty common I remember watching 2485 01:45:38,900 --> 01:45:37,140 captain video on television yeah science 2486 01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:38,910 fiction you remember that the old do my 2487 01:45:42,350 --> 01:45:40,770 eye works we're now reminiscing about 2488 01:45:44,780 --> 01:45:42,360 things that even Frank Warren doesn't 2489 01:45:47,540 --> 01:45:44,790 remember okay the point of here is that 2490 01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:47,550 why do we have to assume fiber optics 2491 01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:50,010 night-vision goggles printed circuits 2492 01:45:54,530 --> 01:45:52,170 were based on alien technology 2493 01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:54,540 didn't we technology ourselves we had 2494 01:46:00,200 --> 01:45:57,410 all those Germans scientists we got from 2495 01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,210 but you know we're not your laboratories 2496 01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:02,400 why shouldn't we do it why yeah but 2497 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:04,050 here's the thing by the end of World War 2498 01:46:07,370 --> 01:46:04,410 two 2499 01:46:09,950 --> 01:46:07,380 it is now historic fact that the Nazis 2500 01:46:11,660 --> 01:46:09,960 had flying saucers on the drawing board 2501 01:46:14,150 --> 01:46:11,670 the only argument is did they really 2502 01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:14,160 ever have one that was operable and I 2503 01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:16,050 think evidence points to the fact that 2504 01:46:20,150 --> 01:46:18,000 they did but if that's still 2505 01:46:23,780 --> 01:46:20,160 controversial but they also had the 2506 01:46:25,250 --> 01:46:23,790 world's first jet fighter than me 262 by 2507 01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:25,260 the way it towards me in the war they 2508 01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:27,810 had television guided missiles okay 2509 01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:29,970 luckily they didn't happen in the 2510 01:46:34,460 --> 01:46:32,010 production lines but they were working 2511 01:46:36,710 --> 01:46:34,470 on and they had night vision they had 2512 01:46:39,170 --> 01:46:36,720 the vampire which was a night vision 2513 01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:39,180 scope where did they get all this 2514 01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:40,770 technology well let me tell you guys 2515 01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,010 this is really fascinating they got it 2516 01:46:48,410 --> 01:46:46,560 because they had you know I've heard for 2517 01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:48,420 years people said well they were covered 2518 01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,400 in yellow somewhere and offered various 2519 01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,080 stories they got one in North Africa and 2520 01:46:57,110 --> 01:46:54,480 they got one Czech was like it that one 2521 01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:57,120 Western Poland but yet every kind of 2522 01:47:00,620 --> 01:46:59,040 tried to check those stories out they 2523 01:47:02,510 --> 01:47:00,630 never really went anywhere there's no 2524 01:47:05,450 --> 01:47:02,520 real hard evidence they ever got any 2525 01:47:08,060 --> 01:47:05,460 real hardware but obviously they had 2526 01:47:10,820 --> 01:47:08,070 some sort of pipeline to high-technology 2527 01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:10,830 where'd they get it I now suspect that 2528 01:47:15,620 --> 01:47:13,290 they got it through what back in the 2529 01:47:18,530 --> 01:47:15,630 nineteen hundreds and early 20s was 2530 01:47:20,780 --> 01:47:18,540 called spiritualism okay where they 2531 01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:20,790 would have seance 2532 01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:22,410 type things they sit around and they 2533 01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:25,770 would go out with their minds in other 2534 01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:28,770 words psychic ability now of course 2535 01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:30,000 there's still a lot of people going to 2536 01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:32,130 roll her eyes and go psychic ability 2537 01:47:35,300 --> 01:47:32,850 well hey 2538 01:47:37,390 --> 01:47:35,310 the CIA worked with psychic ability 2539 01:47:39,580 --> 01:47:37,400 proved it in the laboratories 2540 01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:39,590 army picked it up used it operationally 2541 01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:41,890 in the seventies maybe under the name 2542 01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:43,040 remote-viewing 2543 01:47:48,700 --> 01:47:46,130 and they're still using it so yes still 2544 01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:48,710 using it now all the discussions we've 2545 01:47:52,570 --> 01:47:50,449 had before remote viewing was something 2546 01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:52,580 they experimented with some years back 2547 01:47:56,770 --> 01:47:54,320 but it didn't continue your singing 2548 01:48:00,340 --> 01:47:56,780 continues well what they will tell you 2549 01:48:03,010 --> 01:48:00,350 today is is there is no longer a unit 2550 01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:03,020 dedicated to remote viewing and that is 2551 01:48:07,540 --> 01:48:05,090 technically true what they've done today 2552 01:48:09,610 --> 01:48:07,550 is they've taken the people who have 2553 01:48:12,010 --> 01:48:09,620 proven to be very good at remote viewing 2554 01:48:14,260 --> 01:48:12,020 and they have embedded them in a variety 2555 01:48:16,899 --> 01:48:14,270 of agencies and organizations in other 2556 01:48:18,490 --> 01:48:16,909 words the Navy SEALs Army Rangers so I 2557 01:48:20,290 --> 01:48:18,500 understand it when they go on and off 2558 01:48:22,899 --> 01:48:20,300 they carry at least one remote viewer 2559 01:48:24,850 --> 01:48:22,909 willing and after all what commander 2560 01:48:26,590 --> 01:48:24,860 doesn't want at least somebody there it 2561 01:48:29,290 --> 01:48:26,600 might be able to tell him what's over 2562 01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:29,300 the next hill so that's what's going on 2563 01:48:33,250 --> 01:48:31,130 there but here's what I want to impart 2564 01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,260 to you guys they picked up a lot of this 2565 01:48:38,860 --> 01:48:36,080 from the Nazis and the Nazis had a 2566 01:48:43,090 --> 01:48:38,870 psychic program that they were messing 2567 01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:43,100 with under the codename magic ma ji K 2568 01:48:49,630 --> 01:48:46,370 which is the German spelling 2569 01:48:52,419 --> 01:48:49,640 I will admit this is now I will say this 2570 01:48:53,110 --> 01:48:52,429 is theory most everything else I said is 2571 01:48:56,350 --> 01:48:53,120 packed 2572 01:48:58,780 --> 01:48:56,360 this is theory but I theorized that when 2573 01:49:01,860 --> 01:48:58,790 they brought the Nazi rocket scientist 2574 01:49:04,810 --> 01:49:01,870 mind control experts chemical warfare 2575 01:49:08,260 --> 01:49:04,820 biological warfare experts over they 2576 01:49:11,410 --> 01:49:08,270 also brought their magic people who were 2577 01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:11,420 into psychic experimentation and that's 2578 01:49:16,990 --> 01:49:14,330 where we picked up on some of the 2579 01:49:19,630 --> 01:49:17,000 advanced knowledge and technology that 2580 01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:19,640 they had and I think it's really 2581 01:49:25,780 --> 01:49:22,730 interesting that their program was magic 2582 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:25,790 image AI K and our first national 2583 01:49:31,959 --> 01:49:29,530 security program in charge of UFOs 2584 01:49:36,490 --> 01:49:31,969 extraterrestrials advanced technologies 2585 01:49:39,399 --> 01:49:36,500 was magic 12 and made GIC the anglicized 2586 01:49:43,390 --> 01:49:39,409 version of magic not a coincidence now 2587 01:49:45,610 --> 01:49:43,400 what a coinkidink but I'm just 2588 01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:45,620 conspiracy clear so hey don't believe me 2589 01:49:51,220 --> 01:49:48,290 okay in fact see that's where I'm 2590 01:49:53,230 --> 01:49:51,230 different from the politicians in the TV 2591 01:49:55,420 --> 01:49:53,240 since they'll say hey trust me believe 2592 01:49:58,180 --> 01:49:55,430 me I've got it here it is listen they 2593 01:50:01,360 --> 01:49:58,190 follow what I say you know I don't say 2594 01:50:03,310 --> 01:50:01,370 that I say listen to me go out check it 2595 01:50:05,500 --> 01:50:03,320 out for yourself and see if I'm not 2596 01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:05,510 telling you the truth and at that point 2597 01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:06,560 then you don't have to worry about 2598 01:50:09,850 --> 01:50:08,510 whether you believe me or not you'll 2599 01:50:11,290 --> 01:50:09,860 know it for yourself 2600 01:50:12,700 --> 01:50:11,300 well let's look at that we only have a 2601 01:50:14,410 --> 01:50:12,710 few minutes left so maybe look at 2602 01:50:15,940 --> 01:50:14,420 proving any of this stuff so how do we 2603 01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:15,950 get a handle it you know we have all 2604 01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:18,290 this tantalizing information and the 2605 01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:20,930 absolute proof you can go forth with and 2606 01:50:26,860 --> 01:50:24,650 just go on TV or major newspapers and 2607 01:50:29,950 --> 01:50:26,870 say here it is The Smoking Gun where's 2608 01:50:32,350 --> 01:50:29,960 our smoking gun hmm it's a good question 2609 01:50:34,690 --> 01:50:32,360 I've actually held in my hand this is a 2610 01:50:37,980 --> 01:50:34,700 very light and odd-looking metal that 2611 01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:37,990 purported to come from the Roswell crash 2612 01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:41,090 I've seen photographs that are actually 2613 01:50:45,820 --> 01:50:44,000 a lot better than just blobs of light in 2614 01:50:47,950 --> 01:50:45,830 the night sky and I'm sure you guys have 2615 01:50:50,440 --> 01:50:47,960 too so there's plenty of photographic 2616 01:50:52,270 --> 01:50:50,450 evidence in fact you think about it and 2617 01:50:55,900 --> 01:50:52,280 when I started being interested in UFOs 2618 01:50:57,880 --> 01:50:55,910 in 50 60 the big counter-argument was is 2619 01:51:01,150 --> 01:50:57,890 that they were just hallucinations or 2620 01:51:04,570 --> 01:51:01,160 perhaps a mass psychosis and you know as 2621 01:51:07,810 --> 01:51:04,580 a young reporter I thought whoa a here 2622 01:51:11,470 --> 01:51:07,820 before undiagnosed contagious mass 2623 01:51:12,970 --> 01:51:11,480 psychosis what a story but we don't hear 2624 01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:12,980 anything about that anymore do we 2625 01:51:16,690 --> 01:51:14,960 and we don't hear the explanation of 2626 01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:16,700 hallucinations anymore and why is that 2627 01:51:21,700 --> 01:51:19,070 because of the advent of the camcorder 2628 01:51:23,710 --> 01:51:21,710 and the cell phones now that take 2629 01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:23,720 pictures all you got doing is going 2630 01:51:28,330 --> 01:51:26,210 internet and then type in UFOs and 2631 01:51:30,460 --> 01:51:28,340 you're going to find more stuff than you 2632 01:51:32,500 --> 01:51:30,470 have time to look at there's hardly a 2633 01:51:34,180 --> 01:51:32,510 day goes by somebody somewhere in the 2634 01:51:36,340 --> 01:51:34,190 world doesn't get a perfect decent 2635 01:51:40,050 --> 01:51:36,350 photograph of the UFO and of course 2636 01:51:44,110 --> 01:51:40,060 folks you can't take a photograph of a 2637 01:51:46,570 --> 01:51:44,120 psychosis or a hallucination so there's 2638 01:51:49,450 --> 01:51:46,580 something real it's there and this is 2639 01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:49,460 why we are slowly but surely breaking 2640 01:51:55,150 --> 01:51:52,370 out of the moratorium on thinking about 2641 01:51:56,530 --> 01:51:55,160 UFOs because now they really can't deny 2642 01:51:57,790 --> 01:51:56,540 that there's something there so now 2643 01:52:00,940 --> 01:51:57,800 essentially saying well it's 2644 01:52:02,440 --> 01:52:00,950 experimental test craft and you just 2645 01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,450 don't understand this and you don't need 2646 01:52:07,330 --> 01:52:04,639 to be looking at this silly subject 2647 01:52:08,979 --> 01:52:07,340 and that's very real in fact I will say 2648 01:52:10,330 --> 01:52:08,989 this to everyone listening if you're 2649 01:52:12,250 --> 01:52:10,340 trying to figure out what's going on in 2650 01:52:14,799 --> 01:52:12,260 the world and you dismiss the whole 2651 01:52:16,569 --> 01:52:14,809 issue of UFOs then you're never going to 2652 01:52:18,189 --> 01:52:16,579 know what's really going on in the world 2653 01:52:19,659 --> 01:52:18,199 because you've just tossed out a big 2654 01:52:23,500 --> 01:52:19,669 piece of the puzzle well in another 2655 01:52:26,199 --> 01:52:23,510 point to Jim you have to go back to at 2656 01:52:28,449 --> 01:52:26,209 least a common agreement remember that 2657 01:52:30,669 --> 01:52:28,459 the powers that be have never said that 2658 01:52:33,959 --> 01:52:30,679 UFOs don't exist in fact the very term 2659 01:52:36,909 --> 01:52:33,969 UFO is an Air Force term born in 1952 2660 01:52:38,949 --> 01:52:36,919 even at the end of Bluebook they didn't 2661 01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:38,959 say UFOs didn't exist they said they're 2662 01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:41,360 not a threat to national security 2663 01:52:44,290 --> 01:52:42,800 which would lead one to believe that 2664 01:52:46,029 --> 01:52:44,300 they more than know more than what 2665 01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:46,039 they're saying it's also just common 2666 01:52:51,310 --> 01:52:48,260 sense because think about it let's just 2667 01:52:53,739 --> 01:52:51,320 go back to 1947 with Roswell and the big 2668 01:52:56,859 --> 01:52:53,749 first big flap of everybody seeing 2669 01:52:59,799 --> 01:52:56,869 flying saucers and all like that if 2670 01:53:02,759 --> 01:52:59,809 their intention was to invade the earth 2671 01:53:05,770 --> 01:53:02,769 and blow up our cities as in 2672 01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:05,780 Independence Day then why didn't they do 2673 01:53:09,759 --> 01:53:07,760 it then because then the only thing we 2674 01:53:12,879 --> 01:53:09,769 had to oppose them was propeller driven 2675 01:53:14,409 --> 01:53:12,889 aircraft it's caliber machine gun so 2676 01:53:17,169 --> 01:53:14,419 what respect to think that they're going 2677 01:53:19,929 --> 01:53:17,179 to wait you know 60 70 years of where we 2678 01:53:22,330 --> 01:53:19,939 have space platforms and and laser 2679 01:53:24,669 --> 01:53:22,340 weaponry and all kinds of stuff no I 2680 01:53:27,699 --> 01:53:24,679 think it's obvious that they are not a 2681 01:53:29,949 --> 01:53:27,709 direct threat to us so when the Air 2682 01:53:31,779 --> 01:53:29,959 Force says well they're no threat to 2683 01:53:33,819 --> 01:53:31,789 national security that's true but that's 2684 01:53:37,239 --> 01:53:33,829 not saying as you so well pointed out 2685 01:53:39,009 --> 01:53:37,249 that they don't exist and personally to 2686 01:53:42,370 --> 01:53:39,019 go back to genes question where is the 2687 01:53:44,830 --> 01:53:42,380 smoking gun I don't think the smoking 2688 01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:44,840 gun isn't any one thing it is the drawn 2689 01:53:48,850 --> 01:53:46,880 dress of evidence from the very 2690 01:53:50,909 --> 01:53:48,860 beginning of what we deemed modern-day 2691 01:53:54,009 --> 01:53:50,919 ufology which which most of us agrees 2692 01:53:57,009 --> 01:53:54,019 1947 but perhaps it's 1942 2693 01:54:00,459 --> 01:53:57,019 maybe Roosevelt was in the know which is 2694 01:54:02,889 --> 01:54:00,469 our 1897 for even birth that's 2695 01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:02,899 correction when I was doing a video on 2696 01:54:07,569 --> 01:54:04,729 the roar spaceship crash I was at the 2697 01:54:10,179 --> 01:54:07,579 Wise County Courthouse and Aurora is in 2698 01:54:12,429 --> 01:54:10,189 last County and a young guy and his 2699 01:54:14,020 --> 01:54:12,439 young boy came up to me said what are 2700 01:54:15,790 --> 01:54:14,030 you doing I said well we're just doing 2701 01:54:18,190 --> 01:54:15,800 this documentary on this the old 2702 01:54:19,780 --> 01:54:18,200 spaceship crashing roars you know I know 2703 01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:19,790 that my grandfather was there and tell 2704 01:54:24,730 --> 01:54:21,770 me all about it so I said whoa sit down 2705 01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:24,740 here hating Santa we could release and 2706 01:54:30,190 --> 01:54:28,010 turn the camera on and of course his his 2707 01:54:32,230 --> 01:54:30,200 story pretty much coincided he said his 2708 01:54:33,850 --> 01:54:32,240 dad and some friends were working they 2709 01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:33,860 heard this big explosion the ground 2710 01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:36,650 shook now in town she was going on it's 2711 01:54:38,890 --> 01:54:38,480 in those pieces metal on all over the 2712 01:54:41,710 --> 01:54:38,900 place 2713 01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:41,720 but he told me a kid bit of information 2714 01:54:44,860 --> 01:54:43,130 that I had never heard before 2715 01:54:47,050 --> 01:54:44,870 he said his grandfather told him that 2716 01:54:49,630 --> 01:54:47,060 within hours representatives of every 2717 01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:49,640 law enforcement agency in the in the 2718 01:54:53,620 --> 01:54:51,770 north part of Texas was showing up I 2719 01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:53,630 said what would they do you said well 2720 01:54:58,060 --> 01:54:55,730 but you know behalf of them we're going 2721 01:55:00,040 --> 01:54:58,070 around saying okay folks going home and 2722 01:55:01,690 --> 01:55:00,050 it's all over a thing doesn't see here 2723 01:55:04,270 --> 01:55:01,700 he said the rest of them we're picking 2724 01:55:06,850 --> 01:55:04,280 up all of this metal material and 2725 01:55:10,030 --> 01:55:06,860 putting in wagons and carted off hey the 2726 01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:10,040 very first crash retrieval and that goes 2727 01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:13,250 back to my 1942 memo from George 2728 01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:14,690 Marshall where he said he was going to 2729 01:55:18,180 --> 01:55:16,130 check War Department files for 2730 01:55:22,330 --> 01:55:18,190 untraditional aircraft dating back to 2731 01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:22,340 1897 I think as far back as 1897 they 2732 01:55:26,290 --> 01:55:24,170 knew something was going on something 2733 01:55:28,150 --> 01:55:26,300 was up there in the air but they really 2734 01:55:31,060 --> 01:55:28,160 didn't know what it was and you know 2735 01:55:32,620 --> 01:55:31,070 nobody in a authority position will 2736 01:55:34,540 --> 01:55:32,630 stand up and say hey folks are something 2737 01:55:36,580 --> 01:55:34,550 happening but I don't know what it is I 2738 01:55:38,530 --> 01:55:36,590 can't do anything about it so they just 2739 01:55:41,130 --> 01:55:38,540 keep the quiet you know through our 2740 01:55:44,380 --> 01:55:41,140 research back with the Battle of La the 2741 01:55:48,850 --> 01:55:44,390 I was the one to introduce the clear 2742 01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:48,860 image of the 1942 LA Times photograph 2743 01:55:53,410 --> 01:55:51,440 all right were you reversed it and shows 2744 01:55:55,150 --> 01:55:53,420 a little saucer craft in the middle yeah 2745 01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:55,160 that was great well I shall that was my 2746 01:55:59,410 --> 01:55:57,530 own inspection of the that look but 2747 01:56:02,080 --> 01:55:59,420 probably prior to me introducing that 2748 01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:02,090 image the the best thing that you could 2749 01:56:07,450 --> 01:56:04,730 find was an old the old black-and-white 2750 01:56:09,930 --> 01:56:07,460 film from it but I located the negative 2751 01:56:12,490 --> 01:56:09,940 and by the way there are more pictures 2752 01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:12,500 or was that almost another show folks 2753 01:56:15,700 --> 01:56:14,450 were just yeah another show I love to 2754 01:56:17,260 --> 01:56:15,710 hear about that I'm gonna have to be 2755 01:56:19,030 --> 01:56:17,270 able to sinner along well you have to be 2756 01:56:20,500 --> 01:56:19,040 a listener listen to the para cast and 2757 01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:20,510 also we'll have you come back again 2758 01:56:24,700 --> 01:56:22,070 because we only covered the tip of the 2759 01:56:26,230 --> 01:56:24,710 iceberg okay Jim in the last two or 2760 01:56:27,490 --> 01:56:26,240 three minutes here please tell our 2761 01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:27,500 listeners where they can learn more 2762 01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:30,130 about the things that you do okay well 2763 01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:32,770 can visit my website Jim Marrs dot-com 2764 01:56:38,070 --> 01:56:34,930 that's Mars with two hours like the 2765 01:56:39,690 --> 01:56:38,080 planet but with an extra R but I 2766 01:56:41,250 --> 01:56:39,700 apologize in advance because I'm in the 2767 01:56:43,380 --> 01:56:41,260 middle of kind of revamping and 2768 01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:43,390 upgrading and changing the website 2769 01:56:47,370 --> 01:56:44,800 around so something seems a little 2770 01:56:49,500 --> 01:56:47,380 squirrely just have patience I'd 2771 01:56:51,810 --> 01:56:49,510 appreciate it or you can get any of my 2772 01:56:53,370 --> 01:56:51,820 books at any bookstore and if they don't 2773 01:56:55,020 --> 01:56:53,380 have it on the Shelf you just say I want 2774 01:56:56,910 --> 01:56:55,030 to order this book but you're Martha 2775 01:56:58,410 --> 01:56:56,920 just tell them Jim Marrs and then called 2776 01:57:01,440 --> 01:56:58,420 up on the computer and find out all 2777 01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:01,450 about work if you're just starting out 2778 01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:03,490 or if you know people who are just 2779 01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:05,410 starting out wondering what's going on 2780 01:57:11,790 --> 01:57:07,330 with the conspiracies and the mysteries 2781 01:57:15,780 --> 01:57:11,800 you might mention my 2009 book above top 2782 01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:15,790 secret which deals with about 20 of the 2783 01:57:21,570 --> 01:57:18,850 modern conspiracies mysteries it 2784 01:57:23,790 --> 01:57:21,580 includes the Kennedy assassination 9/11 2785 01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:23,800 but it also includes what hung over the 2786 01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:26,560 gate at O'Hare Airport and what they saw 2787 01:57:31,980 --> 01:57:28,960 at Stephenville and gets into a lot of 2788 01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:31,990 the UFO issues as well as many others 2789 01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:35,530 and I have to do is just go to Amazon go 2790 01:57:37,980 --> 01:57:37,030 any bookstore and you can get them what 2791 01:57:40,410 --> 01:57:37,990 do you have coming out in the near 2792 01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:40,420 future future books future titles that 2793 01:57:44,340 --> 01:57:42,130 we might want to find out about well 2794 01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:44,350 sometime later the spring I think maybe 2795 01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:46,930 into June I've got a new book coming out 2796 01:57:52,830 --> 01:57:49,030 from HarperCollins called the 2797 01:57:56,910 --> 01:57:52,840 trillion-dollar conspiracy how the new 2798 01:58:01,290 --> 01:57:56,920 world order manmade diseases and zombie 2799 01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:01,300 banks are destroying America and so if 2800 01:58:03,930 --> 01:58:02,890 you have anyone if you're really 2801 01:58:05,850 --> 01:58:03,940 wondering you can read the headlines 2802 01:58:08,070 --> 01:58:05,860 there you go what no world's going on 2803 01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:08,080 read that book it will put together for 2804 01:58:11,190 --> 01:58:09,610 you it will definitely look forward to 2805 01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:11,200 the book look forward to more of the 2806 01:58:15,270 --> 01:58:12,970 work that you're doing by the way your 2807 01:58:17,070 --> 01:58:15,280 publicity guy gets from your publisher 2808 01:58:19,110 --> 01:58:17,080 till this is also a fiction book that 2809 01:58:22,770 --> 01:58:19,120 you've done oh thank you that's true 2810 01:58:26,130 --> 01:58:22,780 just towards in last year finally try my 2811 01:58:29,340 --> 01:58:26,140 hand at fiction actually I call her work 2812 01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:29,350 of fashion it's fact-based fiction and 2813 01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:32,560 it's really really it's a real good 2814 01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:35,290 story about a secret society of women 2815 01:58:42,930 --> 01:58:38,110 who band together during World War Two 2816 01:58:45,300 --> 01:58:42,940 in Europe and try to fight the Nazis 2817 01:58:47,459 --> 01:58:45,310 and they end up in a race with the Nazis 2818 01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:47,469 to see who's going to recover the 2819 01:58:52,530 --> 01:58:49,530 greatest treasure trove in history 2820 01:58:55,860 --> 01:58:52,540 Solomon's treasure which by all accounts 2821 01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:55,870 seems to be has been hidden in the 2822 01:59:00,360 --> 01:58:57,850 foothills of the Pyrenees Mountains in 2823 01:59:02,790 --> 01:59:00,370 southern France and if you want to know 2824 01:59:03,689 --> 01:59:02,800 how active Salman's treasure get to 2825 01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:03,699 southern France 2826 01:59:08,490 --> 01:59:05,770 well then read The Sisterhood of the 2827 01:59:10,290 --> 01:59:08,500 rose and you'll learn all of the history 2828 01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:10,300 Jim Marrs thank you so much for joining 2829 01:59:13,410 --> 01:59:12,730 us this week on the Pharoah cast thank 2830 01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:13,420 you guys 2831 01:59:21,300 --> 01:59:15,010 there's a big tree Jim good talking with 2832 01:59:23,070 --> 01:59:21,310 you the parrot house with Jeanne 2833 01:59:24,959 --> 01:59:23,080 Steinberg and David Headley 2834 01:59:27,750 --> 01:59:24,969 it's a production of making the 2835 01:59:33,830 --> 01:59:27,760 impossible Incorporated join us next 2836 01:59:51,570 --> 01:59:40,970 [Music]